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The open university, the open university, the future is open. And just a short three, four years later, those Mick 15s flown by North Koreans and later Soviet pilots shoot down over 160 Americans over the fields of Korea.

So we were arming them.

And the same thing was occurring with China for the last 40 years.

It's the Law Fair Podcast. I'm Benjamin Wittis with Dimitri Alperovich, author of the new book,

World On the Brink, how America can beat China

in the race for the 21st century.

I believe that we should do whatever is in our power to avoid a conflict with China

it would be devastating but I do think that we should be fighting for Taiwan

or preventing their takeover of Taiwan because of the importance of Taiwan to us.

Because domination of Taiwan really leads to domination of Asian.

Today we're talking about tensions on the Taiwan straits, deterring China from invading Taiwan,

and the history of what Dimitri calls Cold War II.

I want to start with a conversation I think the first time we ever met which was at a conference I honestly don't remember which conference where you gave a speech, and you opened it with an arresting claim that shows up in slightly different verbiage in the introduction to your book, which is you

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