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The Lawfare Podcast

Lawfare Daily: Dispatches from the Sahel, with Rachel Chason and John Lechner

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🗓️ 28 February 2025

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

On today’s episode, the Washington Post's West Africa bureau chief Rachel Chason and freelance journalist John Lechner join Lawfare Managing Editor Tyler McBrien to talk about the current state of the Sahel and the many forces that have converged in the region over the past couple of years.

They discussed Chason’s new series out in the Post, “Crossroads of Conflict,” which includes six rich portraits of Sahelian actors, including: an Islamist militanta militia commandera Russian mercenaryan American soldiera coup leader, and a defiant broadcaster. They also talked about Lechner’s forthcoming book, “Death Is Our Business: Russian Mercenaries and the New Era of Private Warfare.”

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0:26.4

and the aftermath he feels very strongly that Burkina Faso is in like the fight of its life

0:36.7

against the jihadist.

0:38.9

And so that was why he focused so much on raising that militia.

0:43.2

And he's been successful at raising the militia, at boosting their numbers, at getting them

0:47.7

more supplies.

0:49.3

It's the Lawfare podcast.

0:51.3

I'm Tyler McBrion, managing editor of Lawfare, with the Washington Post's

0:55.4

West Africa Bureau Chief Rachel Chasen, an author and freelance journalist John Lechner.

1:01.3

I mean, it's ultimately folks in the Sahel who will solve these issues between each other.

1:08.7

I don't think that the American soldiers or French soldiers or Russian

1:13.9

Wagner or any Russian soldiers have the answers.

1:19.3

Today, we're talking about the current state of the Sahel, as well as Rachel's new series of

1:24.2

profiles from the region called Crossroads of Conflict in the Washington Post

1:27.8

and John's new book, Death is Our Business, Russian mercenaries, and the new era of private warfare.

1:35.3

So Rachel, I want to start with your reporting and your series of profiles that came out very recently in the Washington Post

1:42.7

that tell different stories of different

1:47.2

dynamics converging in the Sahel. So I just want to start with one of those profiles, the Islamist

1:53.9

militant. Can you tell us a bit about who you profiled there and also what it, what you're

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