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Lawfare Daily: Christina Knight on AI Safety Institutes

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🗓️ 11 June 2025

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

Christina Knight, Machine Learning Safety and Evals Lead at Scale AI and former senior policy adviser at the U.S. AI Safety Institute (AISI), joins Kevin Frazier, the AI Innovation and Law Fellow at Texas and a Senior Editor at Lawfare, to break down what it means to test and evaluate frontier AI models as well as the status of international efforts to coordinate on those efforts.

This recording took place before the administration changed the name of the U.S. AI Safety Institute to the U.S. Center for AI Standards and Innovation. 

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You already identified really clearly the risks or model policies that you're trying to adhere to,

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and then you go in and you try to figure out to what extent

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models might be susceptible to that type of probe, and then you can go in and try to fix it.

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