Lawfare Daily: Aram Gavoor on the Trump Administration's AI Pivot: Trading Safeguards for Stargate
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🗓️ 24 January 2025
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Aram Gavoor, Associate Dean for Academic Affairs at GW Law, joins Kevin Frazier, a Tarbell Fellow at Lawfare, to summarize and analyze the Trump administration’s initial moves to pivot the nation’s AI policy toward relentless innovation. The duo discuss the significance of Trump rescinding the Biden administration’s 2023 executive order on AI as well as the recently announced Stargate Project.
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| 0:31.1 | This Stargate project touches on a number of other priorities of the administration, including several |
| 0:39.2 | executive orders, that seem to operate in harmony with it, as well as a broader vision for |
| 0:47.3 | American supremacy, as well as national security. |
| 0:52.9 | It's the Lawfare podcast. |
| 0:55.0 | I'm Kevin Frazier, a Tarbell fellow at Lawfare, joined by R.M. Gavore, |
| 0:59.1 | Associate Dean for Academic Affairs at G.W. Law. |
| 1:02.8 | Taking out the partisanship from it is Trump is returning to the baseline that he had at the end of his first term, in a baseline upon which |
| 1:14.2 | the Biden administration did not disrupt, just built upon and shunt it in a different direction. |
| 1:22.1 | Today we're talking about the rapid moves taken by the Trump administration to pivot to an |
| 1:26.7 | AI policy grounded in innovation. President Trump has already rescind by the Trump administration to pivot to an AI policy grounded in innovation. |
| 1:29.4 | President Trump has already rescinded the Biden administration's key executive order and launched |
| 1:34.1 | a bold proposal to double down on domestic AI innovation. RM helps me analyze what this all means |
| 1:40.0 | and what may be next. So depending on who you ask, on January 21st, 2025, President Trump either announced the next |
| 1:50.5 | Apollo missions or the next Manhattan Project, or if you've been on X these days, you may |
| 1:57.1 | take an opposite view, one held by one Elon Musk, that perhaps the recently announced Stargate project is instead something that really isn't going to amount too much because we just don't have the funds there. |
| 2:08.8 | So this Stargate project is a collaboration between OpenAI, SoftBank, Oracle, and Microsoft, among others, aiming to invest up to $500 billion, yes, half a trillion |
| 2:23.1 | dollars over four years to build AI infrastructure in the U.S., starting with an immediate |
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