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🗓️ 9 July 2022
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From January 8th, 2019: On this episode of the Lawfare podcast, David Priess sat down with John Sipher to discuss the past, present and future history of spy swaps in reference to the 2019 Russian arrest of Paul Waylon, who is currently imprisoned in a Russian labor camp now. This is more relevant than ever, as WNBA star Brittney Griner, who is imprisoned and on trial in Russia on drug charges, sent president Biden a handwritten letter this week pleading for his help in bringing her back to the United States.
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| 0:39.8 | I'm Benjamin Pollard with an episode from the LawFair Archive for July 9th, 2022. |
| 0:45.9 | WMBA star, Brittany Griner, who is imprisoned and on trial in Russia on drug charges, sent |
| 0:52.3 | President Biden a handwritten letter this week pleading for his help in bringing her back |
| 0:57.0 | to the United States. |
| 0:58.7 | Russia has hinted at the potential of a prisoner swap between Griner and Victor Booth, a Russian |
| 1:04.4 | arms dealer in prison in the United States so that the US can bring the Olympian home. |
| 1:10.3 | For today's Archive episode, I picked an episode from January 8th, 2019, in which David |
| 1:16.2 | Priests sat down the John Cipher to discuss the history of spy swaps in reference to the |
| 1:22.5 | 2019 Russian arrest of Paul Whalen, who is imprisoned in a Russian labor camp now. |
| 1:27.5 | I'm David Priests and this is the LawFair podcast January 8th, 2019. |
| 1:39.6 | The Russian government's recent arrest of American Paul Whalen and its charges against |
| 1:43.8 | him have many politicians and pundits speculating about the possibility of an intended spy swap |
| 1:50.1 | for Maria Butina. |
| 1:51.7 | There's a lot going on here, but there's also a lot of misunderstanding about the history |
| 1:55.6 | of spy swaps, what they are and what they aren't. |
| 1:59.0 | Earlier this week I sat down with my former CIA colleague John Cipher to talk about it all. |
| 2:03.8 | He joined me to discuss the history of spy swaps, the current case involving Paul Whalen, |
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