Aaron Friedberg on "Getting China Wrong"

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🗓️ 8 July 2022

⏱️ 59 minutes

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For decades, experts and analysts have written in great detail about the importance of liberalization and its role in promoting democracy and other western values. Specifically, many believed that once a state began this track towards liberalization, open markets and a liberal democracy was inevitable. Yet, the several decades following Henry Kissinger’s secret trip to China has proven differently, as China continues to grow more distant and confrontational with the West.

Lawfare Fellow in Cybersecurity Law, Alvaro Marañon, sat down with Aaron Friedberg, professor of politics and international affairs at Princeton University. Aaron is an expert on the relations between China and the West, and has written numerous articles and books assessing the economic, military and political dangers of this rivalry.

They explored his new book, “Getting China Wrong”, and discussed the origins of the West’s engagement with China, how and why the West miscalculated the Chinese Communist Party’s identity and objectives, and how the U.S. and Biden administration can start getting China “right.”

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0:25.6	no bull and the aftermath.
0:32.6	I think there was a widespread belief that engagement with China, economic engagement in
0:37.8	particular but also societal, cultural, scientific, educational, cooperation, all of these things
0:44.2	would encourage tendencies that would lead eventually to the liberalization of China's
0:50.0	political system as well as its economic system.
0:53.9	And eventually, China would transition away from this feminist political system towards
0:59.6	a democratic system.
1:01.8	What that meant was that even if China grew wealthier and stronger, it would not pose a challenge
1:08.9	to the interests of the United States and its democratic allies because by that point,
1:14.3	it too would have become a democracy.
1:18.6	I'm Alvaro Maranyom, fellow and cyber security law at LawFair.
1:22.9	And this is the LawFair podcast July 8, 2022.
1:27.5	For decades, experts and analysts have written in great detail about the importance of liberalization
1:33.3	and its role in promoting democracy in other Western values.
1:37.2	Specifically, many believe that once the state began this track towards liberalization,
1:42.9	open markets and a liberal democracy was inevitable.
1:46.0	Yet, the several decades following Henry Kissinger's secret trip to China has proven
1:50.2	differently as China continues to grow more distant and confrontational with the West.
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