I'm Marissa Wong, Intern at Lawfare, with an episode from the Lawfare

for April 4, 2006.

On March 31st, President Trump signed an executive order purporting to heighten restrictions

on mail-in voting ballots and expand federal control over state-run elections. The order seems to be

the newest step taken in the Trump administration's ongoing effort to call into question the integrity

of federal elections and crack down on election fraud.

For today's archive, I chose an episode from March 4th, 2024, in which Lawrence Lessig joined

Jack Goldsmith to discuss how the legal architecture governing presidential elections leaves

the door open for abuse.

Music presidential elections, leaves the door open for abuse. I'm Jack Goldsmith, and this is the Lawfare podcast, March 4th, 2024.

As the 2024 presidential election approaches, a vital question is whether the legal

architecture governing the election is well crafted to prevent corruption and abuse. In their new book,

How to Steal a Presidential Election, Lawrence Lessig and Matthew Seligman argue that, despite the Electoral Count

Reform Act of 2022, serious abuse of the presidential election rules remains a live possibility.

I sat down with Lessig to learn why. We discussed the continuing possibility of vice presidential

mischief, the complex role of faithless electors,

strategic behavior related to recounts, and the threat of rogue governors. We also pondered

whether any system of rules can regulate elections in the face of widespread bad faith by the actors

involved. It's the Lawfare podcast March 4th, How to Steal a Presidential Election.

Larry Lessig, you and Matthew Seligman have written a book called How to Steal a Presidential

Election. Basically, it's a roadmap of various strategies for how one might steal the presidential election. So why would you write a book that

gives a roadmap about how to steal a presidential election? Because we want to steal a presidential

...