Lawfare Archive: Harold Holzer on 'The Presidents vs. the Press'
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🗓️ 11 July 2021
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From August 25, 2020: Jack Goldsmith spoke with Harold Holzer, director of the Roosevelt House Public Policy Institute at Hunter College, about his new book, "The Presidents vs. the Press: The Endless Battle Between the White House and the Media from the Founding Fathers to Fake News." They discussed the long and interesting history of the contentious relationship between presidents and the press, and how President Trump's relationship with journalists has many precedents and is not the low point in president-press relations. They also discussed the likely arc of the battle between the White House and the media after Trump leaves office.
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| 0:25.6 | no bull and the aftermath. |
| 0:32.6 | Hello, this is LawFair intern Cristiano Wayne with a podcast from the LawFair Archives for July |
| 0:47.3 | 11, 2021. |
| 0:50.1 | Last month we found out that the Trump era Justice Department sought the emails and phone |
| 0:54.2 | records of several reporters at the New York Times, Washington Post, and CNN, who were |
| 1:00.5 | involved in sometimes critical coverage of the president and his administration. |
| 1:05.7 | This revelation adds new depth to the already adversarial relationship between the former |
| 1:10.1 | president and members of the press. |
| 1:13.0 | For today's episode from the archives, I chose to go back to August 2020 when Jack Goldsmith |
| 1:18.2 | spoke to Harold Holzer, director of the Roosevelt House Public Policy Institute at Hunter College. |
| 1:24.2 | I'm Jack Goldsmith and this is the LawFair podcast August 25, 2020. |
| 1:48.2 | I set down with Harold Holzer, director of the Roosevelt House Public Policy Institute at Hunter College about his new book, The President's vs. The Press, the endless battle between the White House and the media from the Founding Bathers to fake news. |
| 2:05.0 | We discussed the long and interesting history of the contentious relationship between presidents and the press, and how President Trump's relationship with journalists has many precedents, and is not the low point in President Press relations. |
| 2:18.1 | We also discussed the likely arc of the battle between the White House and the media after Trump leaves office. |
| 2:24.3 | It's the LawFair podcast August 25, Harold Holzer on the Presidents vs. The Press. |
| 2:32.6 | You cover an amazingly interesting detail, the disputes and confrontations and anxieties between presidents and journalists going back to the beginning of the country. |
| 2:44.6 | One of the themes that I discerned in the book and maybe a subtext is called is that we all think of Donald Trump as having historically unprecedentedly antagonistic relationship with the press. |
| 2:58.4 | But your book is a way of calling that conventional wisdom into question. Is that fair? |
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