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From August 16, 2023: On July 18, Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel unveiled criminal charges against 16 people—the “fake electors” from that state who featured in Trump’s effort to hold onto power in 2020. Just a few weeks later, a special counsel in Michigan announced additional charges related to the 2020 election, this time against three people who allegedly accessed voting machines in the state without authorization. So if you’ve been tracking developments when it comes to accountability for misconduct surrounding the 2020 election, it’s best not to take your eye off Michigan.
To discuss, Lawfare Senior Editor Quinta Jurecic sat down with Clara Hendrickson, a politics reporter at the Detroit Free Press. They talked through the backstory behind these prosecutions and why Michigan became such a hotbed of conspiracy theories and alleged crimes in 2020.
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| 1:26.6 | and Clara Hendrickson discussed the then- |
| 1:28.3 | ongoing criminal proceedings against fake electors in another swing state, Michigan. |
| 1:32.4 | They unpack the charges against three people who allegedly accessed voting machines |
| 1:36.4 | without authorization, the reasons why Michigan became such a hotbed for election conspiracies |
| 1:41.1 | in 2020, and more. |
| 1:56.9 | I'm Quinta Jurecic, a senior editor at Lawfare, |
| 2:01.6 | and this is the Lawfare podcast, August 16th, 2023. On July 18th, Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel unveiled criminal charges against 16 people, |
| 2:10.6 | the so-called fake electors from that state, who featured in Trump's effort to hold on to power in 2020. |
| 2:18.3 | Just a few weeks later, a special council in Michigan announced additional charges related to the 2020 election, |
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