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Lawfare Archive: Election Anxieties and the U.S. Postal Service with Kevin Kosar and Anne Joseph O’Connell

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🗓️ 11 April 2026

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

From September 1, 2020: On August 13, President Trump said in a news interview that he opposed supplemental funding for the United States Postal Service because such funding is needed for the delivery of universal mail-in ballots for the 2020 election. His comments sparked panic about whether the Trump administration is slowing Postal Service delivery in order to sway the election. Images of blue mailboxes being removed and anecdotes about slow mail delivery added fuel to the fire. Postmaster General Louis DeJoy was called to testify before Senate and House oversight committees. Lawsuits were filed by a host of state attorneys general.

So what’s really going on here? Is this election interference, the implementation of legitimate policies or something else? Margaret Taylor sat down with Kevin Kosar of the American Enterprise Institute and Anne Joseph O’Connell of Stanford Law School to sort through the facts, the policy changes, the investigations and the lawsuits—and what it all means for the 2020 election.

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0:00.0

I'm Marissa Wong, Internet Lawfare, with an episode from The Lawfare

0:14.0

for April 11, 2006. On March 31st, President Trump signed an executive order purporting to heighten restrictions on mail-in

0:23.6

voting ballots and expand federal control over state-run elections. This is not the first time that Trump has opposed the use of mail-in ballots or questioned their integrity.

0:33.6

For today's archive, I chose an episode from September 1st, 2020, in which Margaret Taylor sat down with Kevin Kozar and Anne Joseph O'Connell to discuss litigation and implications surrounding an incident during the first Trump administration, in which Trump stated his opposition to supplemental funding for the U.S. Postal Service because it would fund the delivery of

0:54.6

universal mail-in ballots for the 2020 presidential election.

1:07.6

I'm Margaret Taylor, and this is the Lawfare podcast, September 1, 2020.

1:12.6

On August 13th, President Trump said in a news interview that he opposed supplemental funding for the United States Postal Service because such funding is needed for the delivery of universal mail-in ballots for the 2020 election.

1:26.6

His comments sparked panic about whether the Trump administration is sluously. needed for the delivery of universal mail-in ballots for the 2020 election.

1:32.2

His comments sparked panic about whether the Trump administration is slowing postal service delivery in order to sway the election.

1:35.7

Images of blue mailboxes being removed and anecdotes about slow mail delivery added fuel

1:41.2

to the fire.

1:43.1

Postmaster General Louis deoy was called to testify before

1:46.4

Senate and House Oversight Committees. Lawsuits were filed by a host of State Attorneys General.

1:52.6

So what's really going on here? Is this election interference, the implementation of legitimate

1:57.6

policies, or something else? I sat down with Kevin Kosar of the American Enterprise Institute and Anne Joseph O'Connell

2:05.3

of Stanford Law School to sort through the facts, the policy changes, the investigations,

2:10.3

and the lawsuits, and what it all means for the 2020 election.

2:14.1

It's the Lawfare podcast, September 1st, Election Anxieties and the U.S. Postal Service, with Kevin Kossar and Anne Joseph O'Connell.

2:24.7

So I want to start with why the Lawfare podcast is doing a podcast specifically dedicated to the U.S. Postal Service.

2:32.5

Not necessarily the first thing one thinks of when we talk about

2:35.5

national security, which is what law fairs focus on, except just want to note for our listeners

2:40.6

that we did publish an article on May 1st of this year titled Why the Postal Service is

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