Lawfare Archive: Aram Gavoor on the Biden Administration’s AI National Security Memo
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🗓️ 12 April 2026
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From October 28, 2024: Aram Gavoor, Associate Dean for Academic Affairs at GW Law, joins Kevin Frazier, Senior Research Fellow in the Constitutional Studies Program at the University of Texas at Austin and a Tarbell Fellow at Lawfare, to summarize and analyze the first-ever national security memo on AI. The two also discuss what this memo means for AI policy going forward, given the impending election.
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| 0:00.0 | I'm Marissa Wong, Internet Lawfare, with an episode from the Lawfare |
| 0:14.3 | for April 12, 2006. On March 26th, a federal judge in California issued a ruling, temporarily blocking the Department |
| 0:24.6 | of Defense from labeling Anthropic as a security risk. |
| 0:27.6 | The ongoing legal challenges filed by Anthropic against the Defense Department may shape how the |
| 0:33.6 | federal government implements AI tools in the future, especially in the military and the |
| 0:38.5 | national security apparatus. For today's archive, I chose an episode from October 28, 2024, |
| 0:46.1 | in which Kevin Frazier and Aram Gavur discussed the first ever national security memo on AI |
| 0:51.5 | and what its provisions mean for the future of AI policy in the federal |
| 0:55.5 | government. |
| 1:04.1 | It's the Lawfare podcast. I'm Kevin Frazier, Senior Research Fellow in the Constitutional Studies |
| 1:09.7 | Program at the University of Texas at Austin, |
| 1:12.7 | and a Tarbell Fellow at Lawfare, joined by Aram Gavore, Associate Dean for Academic Affairs at G.W. Law. |
| 1:20.3 | The structural changes that I think is the sleeper in all of this is the procurement. |
| 1:26.6 | The fact that there's going to be streamlined procurement |
| 1:29.8 | is going to send some waves. And that's a big policy call. Today we're talking about the first |
| 1:37.3 | ever national security memo on AI. This long-weighted document provides a chance to analyze how the U.S. |
| 1:43.8 | aims to position itself |
| 1:45.2 | in a competitive and perhaps combative race to lead in AI. |
| 1:50.6 | Aram, we're talking the day after the release of the national security memo on AI, |
| 1:55.4 | or to impress my friends in Washington, the NSM. |
| 1:59.1 | It didn't emerge out of thin air, though. I think there's a sort of |
| 2:03.4 | temptation to always see these new documents as pathbreaking as emerging from thin air and from |
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