Lawfare Archive: Avril Haines, Eric Rosenbach, and David Sanger on U.S. Offensive Cyber Operations
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🗓️ 21 November 2021
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From May 28, 2019: From the Washington Post’s February report that U.S. Cyber Command took a Russian disinformation operation offline on the day of the 2018 midterms to fight election interference, to the Pentagon’s announcement last year that it would take more active measures to challenge adversaries in cyberspace, recent news about cyber operations suggests they are playing an increasingly important role in geopolitics. So how should the public understand how the United States deploys its cyber tools to achieve its goals?
To help answer that question, at the 2019 Verify Conference, the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation hosted a panel discussion featuring former CIA Deputy Director Avril Haines, former Pentagon chief of staff Eric Rosenbach, and New York Times national security correspondent David Sanger. They talked about how the U.S. projects power in cyberspace, the difficulties of developing norms to govern state behavior in that domain, and more.
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| 0:27.3 | and the aftermath. |
| 0:34.3 | I'm Emily J and this is an episode from the LawFair archives from November 21st, 2021. |
| 0:46.3 | This week the Department of Justice indicted two Iranian nationals for allegedly participating |
| 0:51.2 | in a coordinate cyber campaign to intimidate and influence American voters in the 2020 presidential |
| 0:56.0 | election. |
| 0:57.0 | This, along with the surge and ransomware this year, demonstrate how offensive cyber |
| 1:01.7 | operations continue to play a dangerous and outsized role in geopolitics. |
| 1:06.6 | For today's episode, I chose a panel discussion from May 28th, 2019, between some of the country's |
| 1:12.4 | top national security experts, where they talk about how cyber weapons are changing the |
| 1:16.7 | landscape of modern warfare. |
| 1:25.8 | I'm Matthew Khan and you're listening to the LawFair podcast May 28th, 2019. |
| 1:32.2 | From the Washington Post's February report that US Cyber Command took a Russian disinformation |
| 1:37.0 | operation offline on the day of the 2018 midterms, to the Pentagon's announcement last |
| 1:42.4 | year that it would take more active measures to challenge adversaries in cyberspace. |
| 1:48.3 | Recent news about US Cyber operations and strategic planning suggests that they are playing |
| 1:53.9 | an increasingly important role in how the US approaches geopolitics. |
| 1:59.5 | So how should the public understand how the United States is deploying its cyber tools |
| 2:04.2 | to achieve its goals? |
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