Lawfare Archive: Adam Segal on ‘The Hacked World Order’
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🗓️ 27 November 2021
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From April 2, 2016: This week, Adam Segal of the Council on Foreign Relations joins Jack Goldsmith at a Hoover Book Soiree for a discussion of his new book, “The Hacked World Order: How Nations Fight, Trade, Maneuver, and Manipulate in the Digital Age.” Segal begins at what he calls “year Zero”—sometime between June 2012 and June 2013—explaining that the events in that year ushered in a new era of geopolitical maneuvering in cyberspace, with great implications for security, privacy and the international system. These changes, he suggests, have the potential to produce unintended and unimaginable problems for anyone with an internet connection.
In March, George Washington University's Henry Farrell reviewed “The Hacked World Order” for the Lawfare Book Review.
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| 0:27.3 | and the aftermath. |
| 0:34.3 | I'm Emily Day and this is an episode from the LawFair Archives for an November 27th 2021. |
| 0:45.8 | Cybersecurity is important now more than ever before. |
| 0:48.9 | This year, ransomware attacks, one of the most widely discussed threats in cybersecurity, |
| 0:53.7 | have increased alarmingly. |
| 0:55.6 | Most recently, Apple sued the Israeli firm NSO Group, which makes surveillance software |
| 1:00.3 | for allegedly misusing its products by remotely hacking into iPhones and targeting and attacking |
| 1:05.2 | Apple users. |
| 1:06.6 | To shed some more light on the new era of geopolitical maneuvering in cyberspace, I chose an episode |
| 1:12.3 | from April 2nd 2016, in which Jack Goldsmith talks about his new book, The Hacked World |
| 1:17.9 | Order, How Nations Fight, Trade, Manoeuvre, and Manipulate in the Digital Age. |
| 1:25.7 | I'm Cody Poplin and this is the LawFair podcast April 2nd 2016. |
| 1:32.5 | That was Adam Siegel, explaining the potential value in the United States' decision to |
| 1:37.2 | indict Chinese PLA cyber hackers. |
| 1:40.7 | On Monday, Siegel joined LawFair's Jack Goldsmith at the Hoover Books Warry for a discussion |
| 1:46.3 | of his new book, The Hacked World Order, How Nations Fight, Trade, Manoeuvre, and Manipulate |
| 1:52.8 | in the Digital Age. |
| 1:54.8 | Siegel begins at what he calls Year Zero, sometime between June 2012 and June 2013, explaining |
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