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Listener discretion is advised. Hello. Hello everyone and welcome to episode 367 of the criminology podcast. I'm Mike Ferguson.

And this is Mike Morford.

Morph. How you doing, buddy?

I'm doing pretty good. How you doing? I'm doing really well. I'm enjoying this fine weather that we're having up in Ohio. My wife and I are getting out. We're taking walks. It's just nice, man, not to not to be cooped up in the house all the time.

Yeah. It's funny. We're in rainy season. This is the time of year where it rains every day and then it usually does it in the morning, the afternoon and all of a sudden it's nice the rest of the day.

As soon as we hit the record button now, it started pouring. I can hear it outside. So one of those days.

Well, that's the thing about Florida. Every time I've gone to Florida, you have like these five minute rain showers,

seems like, but they'll happen a couple times, but they don't seem to last that long,

at least the times that I've been down there. Yeah, we need it because we've been a pretty bad

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