Laura Rozen and Sonny Bunch: War and Dystopia
The Bulwark Podcast
The Bulwark
4.6 • 11.6K Ratings
🗓️ 10 March 2026
⏱️ 57 minutes
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Summary
Before the bombs and the missiles started falling on Iran, Trump sent Jared and Witkoff to try to cut a deal with Tehran. But his two favorite emissaries with no expertise in world affairs fundamentally misunderstood the Iranian mindset, and Trump grew impatient. Now, while Israel is likely trying to create a failed state in Iran, the U.S. seems to be looking for the quickest exit. Plus, the dystopia of “Robocop,” "Brazil," and "Infinite Jest" may have arrived in real life, the Iran War’s potential impact on the Paramount-Warner Bros. deal, predictions for Sunday's Oscars ceremony, and Timothée Chalamet can do no wrong. Sonny Bunch and Laura Rozen join Tim MIller.
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, welcome to the Bullwark podcast. |
| 0:14.2 | I'm your host Tim Miller. |
| 0:15.7 | We have a double header for you today in segment two. |
| 0:19.2 | My colleague, Sunny Buntra, a newsletter about how every day we're |
| 0:23.3 | inching closer to dystopian parody. So I want to chew that over with him and do a little pop |
| 0:28.4 | culture and AI and tech and talk about the Ellisons. So stick around for that in segment |
| 0:33.8 | two. Also, it's kind of a little bit of a preview of something else I've |
| 0:37.8 | got cooking up for you guys. Starting tomorrow night, Wednesday night, once a week, I'm going to pretend like I'm a live streamer. We're trying out the streaming platforms. You can still get us on substack and YouTube wherever you get us, but it's just going to be me. I'm going to be taking in your Q&A. |
| 0:53.6 | We'll talk about politics. |
| 0:54.8 | I'll talk about other shit |
| 0:55.7 | that's on my mind too. |
| 0:57.3 | I'm going to be taking your Q&A. We'll talk about politics. I'll talk about other shit that's on my mind, too. I'm going to try to copy the other streamers and take what they do well and then do some Tim stuff. And we'll see how it goes. It's kind of like what we did on State of the Union night, but without having to watch Donald Trump. So it seems like you should like that. Come check us out. The first one's going to be Wednesday night at like 7.30-ish my time, central time, 8.30 Eastern. So up first, we're going to get serious, though. She's on Substack at Diplomatic and she's a member of the editorial board of Just Security, longtime foreign policy writer. I've been following you on social media for like a decade now. Good to finally meet you. It's Laura Rosen. How you doing? So great to meet you. Maybe even longer. |
| 1:32.0 | You're at Politico? Give us a little bit of your backstory. During the Bush administration, I was |
| 1:37.0 | freelancing for like the American prospect and I went to foreign policy during the Obama administration, |
| 1:42.0 | then Politico, and then I was at Al Monitor for eight years covering the Iran negotiations. |
| 1:48.3 | And then I've been at Substack for about four years. |
| 1:52.2 | Okay. That's great. Yeah, I was following you back in the Foreign Policy Day. So it's been a minute. |
| 1:56.1 | I wanted to grab your, get you because, you know, this is the nature of, you nature of Donald Trump's, you know, Steve Bannon flood the zone with shit element is that sometimes it's hard to figure out signal and noise and figure out what is happening and what matters and what's not. |
| 2:13.1 | And I was following your reporting and like eyeing what was happening in Iran early this year. Those negotiations were happening in January and February, but didn't really like have anybody on the podcast because there was a lot of other shit going on. You know, we're killing people in Minnesota. And there's other stuff to cover. And I was like, well, wait and see if this actually becomes a thing before we start to dial in on it. And so I went back and looked at your |
| 2:35.3 | reporting. And I was like, I thought it would be valuable to just kind of take the lens back for |
| 2:39.4 | people a little bit to where this started. I was looking at your substack. February 12th, |
| 2:45.0 | Trump signals interest in an Iran deal. February 17th, Vance said Iran talks went well. February 24th, Iran wants to make a deal. |
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