Hey, this is the moment. I'm Brian Coppelman. Thanks for listening. My guest today is Laura Jane Grace. She is just one of the best people who's been making music for the last 20 years.

Her band against me is often called one of the most important punk rock bands, and I know how important that is to you, Laura,

or always has been to be considered part of that scene and to be a legitimate punk.

But I think in a way it limits the people who might expose

themselves to the music you've been making because to my money for my money you're

just one of the best songwriters in any genre making music. making

because to my money, for my money, you're just one of the best songwriters in any genre making music. And if you're someone who is listening to this podcast and know the kinds of bands and musicians I sometimes talk to,

you know, if you love Jason Isbull or Justin Towns Earl

or the Hold Steady, there's a lot

that you'll still dig about what Laura does.

And Laura wrote a memoir called Tranny that is really great,

and I spent the last couple of weeks reading.

And I'm really excited to talk to her.

Hi, Laura.

Hi, thank you so very much for that intro.

I really appreciate it.

That's all very flattering.

Thank you. No, I'm not trying to be flattering.

I am, I was struck as I've been listening to the music and you know that's

why I started following you on Twitter was that the music has so much heart in it I think and so much

intelligence behind it and it really always felt like as a listener the music was saving your life and then reading your book it seems like in fact

You were using it for that purpose for a long time.

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