Hey, this is the moment. I'm Brian Koppelman. Thanks for listening.

This podcast is a long time coming.

My desk today is the great Don Winslow who is one of my favorite writers has been for a long time and Don and I attempted to do a podcast a couple years ago upon the publication of his last book and it got lost.

It's the lost episode.

And people have been asking us online.

We go back and forth online a lot and folks have long

asked us to have a conversation with microphones in front of us. So Don Winslow, who's the

author of books such as The Winter of Frankie Machine, the Dawn Patrol, savages, the cartel, all those books are books I've read the day that they came out and loved.

And his new book I think is his crowning achievement

it's called the force and Don Winslow thanks so much for being here.

Thanks so much for having me man.

The little reunion here. It is it's having me man. Let's, a little reunion here.

It is, it's a reunion.

You know, you and I have had many false starts in life.

Oh, yeah.

Because Dave and I basically only have two projects in our lives that we thought should have

been movies and warrant.

One of them and the one that really crushed us for a long time and you was your book the Winter of

Frankie Machine which we campaigned to get and got to do it and

wrote a script that worked and we had Martin's Cressasian

Robert DeNiro attached to it and it crumbled. Yeah, did you know and we talked the whole I mean one of the things that I loved about that experience was getting to know you because we loved the book so much that normally when you

adopt a book you just take it and go but we included you in the process. You did

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