And the Hi, I'm Bill Crystal.

Welcome back to Conversations.

I'm very pleased to have with me again today.

Larry Summers, President Emeritus and University Professor here at Harvard.

We're doing this here right near Harvard.

What's going on at Harvard?

What's going on in higher ed?

Someone like me who has attachment to Harvard and respect for American higher education.

Been a little bit appalled by the last few months, but maybe I'm wrong or missing something

or tell me.

Look, Bill, the main thing that's happening is what always happens.

Professors teach courses, students take courses, students aspire to graduate, they make friends, they plan their lives,

they have a formative experience, they are educated, and anybody who thinks that that's not the main thing going on on college

campuses is making a mistake. That's sad. I feel me, I feel better.

I feel better.

Yeah, that said, it seems to me whether it's the president of Princeton

negotiating with people as they took over his office on the name

of schools at Princeton,

whether it is the kind of attacks on very reasonable free speech

having to do with adults' right to choose their own Halloween

costumes at Yale, whether it's the administration using placemats in the

dining hall to propagandize about what messages students should

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