Hi and welcome to the working songwriter. The show where today's best songwriters come

to talk shop. I'm your host, Joe Pug. Each episode here we host a distinguished guest

and we ask them to go deep on their inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and

downs of making a life in music. So, whether you're a grizzled veteran trying to sell a backstage

laminate for the 1985 Motley Crew tour on eBay or else a scrappy upstart printing up laminates

for a tour of small clubs that don't even have green rooms. This is your show because

ultimately, it is what every writer seeks most, an ironclad excuse to put off, actually writing.

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