Welcome to the Emma Gunn Show.

Life's defining moments don't always feel that great when they're happening.

In the moment they can feel challenging, uncomfortable, difficult, impossible even, but with

hindsight they can take on a different shape.

With the benefit of that 2020 perspective we can begin to see how the most difficult times

were a life lesson we didn't know we needed to learn.

Each week I asked my guest to share their biggest life learnings to date as we explore

those difficult, swampy, infuriating times and how they shaped them all from a comfortable

distance that supported them the time to take the positive out of what might have seen

nothing but negative at the time.

Because whether it's obstacles, challenges, risks, excuses, opportunities, successes, failures

or curveballs, they are the reason they are the person they are today, the person sitting

in front of me on this episode of the Emma Gunn Show.

I really don't like doing things that other people have done before.

I was much younger, I was very intimidated by the big wigs in the rooms.

I do know that I have incredible perseverance and I'm not going to take you know for an answer.

It showed me what happens when you apply yourself and you get up more times than the

next and you show up more than somebody else, opportunities come to you.

I got to a point where I said I am going to launch this brand even if I don't raise any

money.

I think mental strength is everything.

I mean I think that like the name of the game, I think it's your superpower, I think

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