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Hello and welcome to Coffeehouse Shots, the Spectator's Daily Politics Podcast. I'm Patrick Gibbons,

and today I'm joined by Tim Shipman and Claire Ainsley, the former director of policy to Kirstama,

who's now at the Progressive Policy Institute. Now, Tim, you hot-footed it back to The Spectator

this morning from Labour Conference.

What are your reflections?

Has Kirstama done enough over the past few days?

I think he's done enough to park sort of too much talk about his leadership until at least after the local elections.

Give us a clearer picture of what the public thinks.

I found the mood, actually, in Liverpool, a little bit more upbeat than I'd expected. There was quite a good buzz about the place and while everybody, you know, if you talk to people and drilled down, there was obviously some concern about the state of the polls. Not everybody, including in the cabinet, is convinced that Starma is the best person that they could have.

But he's the guy they've got.

And I think most people felt that the speech he gave was his clearest statement yet about what he's for and what he's against.

And, you know, those of us that, you know, kind of cover governments and like to see a strong sense of narrative. This was the first

sort of time that he's been really convincing on that. It was pretty popular in the hall. I think,

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