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The Politics Show

Labour's deja vu problem

The Politics Show

The New Statesman

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4.21.5K Ratings

🗓️ 9 October 2025

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Summary

Andrew Marr joins Tom McTague to discuss the ascension of Shabana Mahmood, and the Blairites haunting Keir Starmer's government.

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0:00.0

Hello, I'm Charlie Higson and I've written a book about our glorious monarchy, a tale packed with battles, scandals and the occasional beheading.

0:09.3

From Harold getting an arrow in the eye to Henry V, giving the French a good whacking, and of course Henry VIII, who made marriage a full-time occupation, all the way up to Charles III, who frankly seems rather well behaved compared

0:22.5

to the rest of them. It's called Willie Willie Harry Stee, with brilliant illustrations by

0:27.8

Vic Reeves. And it's out now.

0:32.9

The New Statesman.

0:38.9

Hello, I'm Tom McTagg and this is the New Statesman. Hello, I'm Tom McTagg, and this is The New Statesman podcast, and I'm joined today by our

0:43.2

political editor, Andrew Maher.

0:44.7

Hello.

0:45.7

Hello, Tom.

0:46.0

So let's turn to your column in this week's magazine, Andrew, largely focused on Shabana

0:51.5

Mahmood.

0:52.5

Now, can you give us a gist of what your column is saying?

0:54.8

So Shabana Mahmood, a really, really interesting figure in the government, partly because

0:58.8

almost everyone on the right of politics is bigging her up as the next prime minister, and quite

1:03.8

a lot of people inside the Labour Party as well. Less well known to the public at the moment,

1:08.2

but very straight talking and very clear thinking

1:11.0

in her attitude to the biggest problem of all, apart from the budget, which is the borders

1:15.5

and the migration problem.

1:17.7

And I think what's interesting is pretty clear now that she has a radical and dramatic plan

1:23.5

to cut the number of people coming across into the UK, across the channel and elsewhere.

1:28.6

And she's going to be going for the European Convention on Human Rights, Articles 3 and 8.

1:33.4

She's going to be going for the refugee convention and lots of the rest of the human rights law.

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