Kyle and Joe Talking About The Interview with Dimitri Muganis and the Field

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🗓️ 20 October 2016

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

In this episode Kyle and Joe speak about the recent interview they recorded with Dimitri Muganis. There were some relatively important points in the interview that needed further discussion and expansion and in this podcast we unravel some of the material. There is plenty more to unpack there. Some of what is discussed in this episode includes.

Race
Class
Research and Treatment
- When should one take priority
Democratization of the medicines
Privilege
Paying for people to participate in research
The white upper middle class bias in the research
The bias in research towards veterans

Overall there are loads of things that we discussed, and in short the real message here is that we all need to keep moving forward. There is plenty of room for growth in the field for all of us to move our agendas forward. With endless amounts of research left to be run, we can still treat people. I'm not sure we are going to see Psychedelic medicines be used in the next 1-2 years in major hospitals outside of research, but we are going to see it in the next decade for sure. Lets keep moving and taking care of each other. -Joe Sign up for our mailing list here.

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0:00.0	Hi everybody, Joe here, psychedelics today.
0:10.7	This episode is Kyle and I talking about the episode we did with Dimitri, Amy Janice,
0:18.5	and, you know, just some commentary because there was a lot discussed in that show,
0:24.3	some politically charged, some, you know, really interesting stuff.
0:29.0	So we got into it and tried to dig out some nuance from that conversation.
0:34.0	There's a lot of stuff that's really kind of difficult to discuss in this field, you know,
0:39.5	race, politics, class, opinions on which way research should be going.
0:47.3	Is research the equivalent to medical treatment, should it be,
0:52.8	dissatisfaction with the medical system and how research has to operate.
0:57.7	And inherently, in the psychedelic research,
1:00.4	we feel like we're doing this research a second time unnecessarily
1:04.4	because of all the work done in the 50s, 60s, and 70s.
1:09.2	So there's just frustration in our field.
1:12.9	We are mad about it.
1:15.8	We're mad that we have to deal with the federal government, and then maybe there's
1:18.7	some infighting, you know, whatever.
1:22.3	Infighting's fine.
1:23.4	We just need to keep moving forward, spreading the knowledge, democratizing access in some way.
1:30.8	You know, Kalindi-A-Ei says that mushrooms are the perfect thing for this field because they're so easy and cheap to grow.
1:42.4	And, you know, one purchase of spores or culture, and you can keep it going
1:47.7	indefinitely. So, you know, it's like $20 once and you can grow everything else at your home for
1:53.1	really cheap on waste products. So I think maybe that's the solution. We don't really need to be
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