Welcome to Karen Hunter is awesome. I'm Karen Hunter and part two of a discussion I had with Howard French

centers on a man who should be a household name. If you know the name of Harriet Tubman, if you know the name of

Marcus Garvey, if you know the name of Malcolm X, you should know the name of Kwame and Krumma. In fact,

Howard French says he is even more pivotal than Marcus Garvey. And I said, what? I'm tuning in. So up next,

part two of a discussion. The second emancipation is the book. Howard French is the man. Stay tuned. Kwame and Krumah. For people who have never heard his name. And we're talking with, of course, the great Howard French. The second emancipation. Encruma, Pan-Africanism and Global Blackness at at High Tide. Before we get into Krumah, high tide.

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So, High Tide, thank you for bringing us back to that.

So we've talked about what the second emancipation was.

Slavery ends and now forced labor ends and the beginnings of some kind of independence,

true independence begins, okay?

High tide is because, although very few people, you were raised in a household where you knew

who Kwame and Krumah was, but Kwame and Krumah is the most important black person to whom

many of your listeners and viewers will not be familiar in the history of the world.

Kwame and Krumah was that big, okay?

The high tide part refers to the fact that in the late 1940s and throughout the 1950s,

African Americans recognized the independence struggle in Africa as led by Kwame and Krumah as the most important thing happening in the world,

and wanted to learn from it, and threw themselves behind it, and then received as a benefit an investment of strategic help and ideas from Africans into what we call the civil

rights struggle in this country.

And so the 1950s are kind of a halcyon period, when Africans, particularly in West Africa

and most especially in Ghana, and African Americans understood themselves as being part of the same

struggle and in constant communication with each other. This was so intense in this period that it's

almost incredible to see how it has become forgotten. Nobody except for the rare few whose households were like yours,

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