Welcome to the Conversations That Matter podcast.

I'm your host, John Harris.

We're going to have a discussion today about the American dream.

And I trust it will be a very fruitful discussion.

We have Kruptos with us, who I think to this day is the only anon that I have actually

interviewed for a podcast.

I think this is his third time on the conversations, That Matter podcast.

You can check out his writings at substack.com forward slash at

Kruptos, K-R-U-P-T-O-S. And he read an article of mine, one of my substacks, that was entitled

Regaining the American Dream for Zoomers. And he has some critiques or something to add to the discussion that I think you'll find helpful.

And we may joust a little bit back and forth as to whether or not the American dream is a good or a bad symbol for Americans to aspire to.

So with that, thank you for coming on the podcast once again, Kruptas,

and I'm looking forward to hearing what you have to say about my article.

Yeah, I thank for having me on, John.

I think this is a really good vector, this idea of the American dream to discuss the

relationship that especially American Christians have with the country of America

in this regard and its own myths and aspirations and the stories that it tells and the essence.

Like, you know, one common thing that I, that I hear fairly frequently is people will

talk about being faithful Christians, and then they will talk about being politically conservative.

And when they talk about it, they talk about these things as if they're the same thing.

And I always, that sets off on a kind of an alarm bell for me.

And then when you were talking about the American dream, it set off a sort of sense of like,

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