Hey, it's Beth. Before we get started, I wanted to give you a quick heads up that between

minutes 20 and 30 today, we have a discussion about how the Me Too movement intersects with

the evangelical culture. We always want to respect the different places that we're in when

we're listening to a podcast. And if that would be a tough headspace for you today, you

might just want to skip that part. Thanks for listening.

This is Sarah Stewart Holland and this is Beth Silverce. Thank you for joining us for

Pant suit Politics.

Hello and welcome to a very special episode of Pant suit Politics today. We are going to share

our recent conversation with Kristin Cobas-Dume, the New York Times bestselling author of Jesus

in John Wayne, how white evangelicals corrupted a faith and fractured a nation. Kristin is a professor

of history in gender studies at Calvin University. We met her on a speaking gig at Calvin again. We

make the best connections on these trips. And we knew we would absolutely have to have her on

this show. Y'all this book, if you have not read it, picks up so many important threads, puts them

together and says, this is how we got to Donald Trump, you guys. And it feels like all these missing

pieces, all these questions, she just answers them. And the history is impeccable. Like she is

just telling stories that even as a person who grew up in the white evangelical church, I didn't

understand it had not heard. And that's why we wanted to have her on here because she really

fills in and expands the story in a way that is incredibly helpful. Yeah, she takes you through

all of her north and promise keepers and Billy Graham. And you're just following this path

that makes the past few years in American politics feel less like an earthquake and more like

the logical extension of what we had been building towards. So this is a really helpful conversation.

And I can't strongly enough recommend her book if you're still having that feeling of like,

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