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Hello, it's Andrea, and today we are interrupting our special coverage of the preventionist

to bring you some highly relevant and related content.

And that is our conversation with Ethan Shapiro,

the lead attorney for Johns Hopkins All Children's Hospital. We are discussing the appellate

opinion that was rendered last week overturning the $211 million verdict that was awarded

in the civil trial two years ago.

Kowalski v. Johns Hopkins All Children's was, of course, the subject of the movie Take Care of Maya and a tidal wave of media coverage, including a New York magazine piece written by Diane Neri

that almost entirely obscured the extensive evidence of the abuse that Maya Kowalski had endured

up until the moment of her removal from her parents' custody.

Neri's piece instead painted a picture of a rogue and overzealous child abuse pediatrician,

in this case, Dr. Sally Smith.

Sound familiar?

The fact that the sepellate decision dropped on the day before the

preventionist went wide is poetic, and I'll admit, at least a little cathartic for me. During the

Kowalski trial, I was, at least to my knowledge, the only person in the media who is in support

of the hospital's actions, which, after years of researching and studying this case,

I believe, almost certainly saved Maya Kowalski's life. I covered this case extensively in the third

season of my show, and I'm going to be revisiting that coverage in more detail soon.

But as we unpack this court ruling, I want to highlight what Gregory Anderson, the lead trial

attorney, who has since been fired by the Kowalskies, more on that later, said that this case was about in an interview he gave during the trial.

Quote, this case is about individual freedom, the freedom of parents to be able to make their own decision to what is in the best interest of their child based on their

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