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Nobody Should Believe Me

Case Files 25: Olivia Gant Part 2

Nobody Should Believe Me

True Story Media

Society & Culture, True Crime, Personal Journals

4.23.3K Ratings

🗓️ 31 October 2025

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

In this episode, Andrea continues delving into the Olivia Gant case with Detective Melissa Kalish, who uncovered the vast fraud and abuse behind Kelly Turner’s lies. Kelly continued to exploit compassion: fabricating diagnoses, staging her daughter’s suffering, and committing large-scale Medicaid fraud. Within days of Olivia’s death, she entered new relationships, inventing pregnancies, fabricating ex-wives, and posing as a nurse. Andrea closes the episode by reminding listeners that Olivia’s story is a warning about the systems and people who looked away when she most needed protection. Get in touch with Serial and the NTY: serialshows@nytimes.com Justice for Collin: ⁠https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tEg2mpbrwNJnuVMNdbHANCofEFYvH9_bO5MULHUxqLs/edit⁠ Order Andrea’s book⁠ The Mother Next Door: Medicine, Deception, and Munchausen by Proxy⁠.  Click⁠ here⁠ to view our sponsors. Remember that using our codes helps advertisers know you’re listening and helps us keep making the show!   Subscribe on⁠ YouTube⁠ where we have full episodes and lots of bonus content.  Follow Andrea on Instagram:⁠ @andreadunlop⁠ Buy Andrea's books⁠ here⁠.  For more information and resources on Munchausen by Proxy, please visit⁠ MunchausenSupport.com⁠ The American Professional Society on the Abuse of Children’s MBP Practice Guidelines can be downloaded⁠ here⁠. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

True Story Media.

0:10.4

Hey, it's Andrea, and it's been a big news week over here.

0:14.1

So before we get into the second half of our conversation with Melissa Williamson,

0:18.7

lead detective on the Olivia Gant case, I wanted to give you a few updates.

0:22.6

First, the good news. And it's really good news. On Wednesday, October 29th, I woke up to the news that the $213 million verdict in Kowalski v. Johns Hopkins All Children's had been reversed.

0:36.6

I will record a full episode on this soon,

0:39.8

breaking it all down, but the gist is that the appeals court ruled that the majority of what

0:44.6

went to trial two years ago should never have ended up there, and only did so because of a series

0:50.7

of errors by Judge Carroll. There are four counts that the appeals court ruled

0:55.2

could be retried, those related to Maya Kowalski only. None of the counts on behalf of Jack

1:01.6

or Biotta's estate can move forward. This is a big win for those of us who care about children

1:06.6

and believe that they deserve to be safe in their homes, and who believe that those who step in to

1:11.9

protect them shouldn't face spurious lawsuits. But of course, the battle to protect kids and uphold

1:17.5

mandatory reporting continues. And this week, serial productions published their series reported

1:23.3

by Diane Neary called The Preventionist, which forwards the cause of one of the numerous

1:28.3

copycat lawsuits that's gained steam in the wake of Kowalski. To say that I'm concerned about

1:33.4

this coverage is an understatement. Frankly, I think the entire team at Serial should be ashamed

1:39.3

of platforming this. So, for the next several weeks, I'll be with you, breaking down each of the three episodes

1:45.2

in detail with some expert help. You may notice, if you're listening to the preventionist,

1:50.6

that there are many names and details left out of Neri's reporting. And as I fill in the gaps for you,

1:56.2

I think you'll see why. I've received one initial response from the serial team and have sent

2:00.7

them several emails with additional information, including the Kowalski opinion.

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