This is Hidden Killers with Tony Bruske. Here now, Tony Bruske. There's a moment in every courtroom where your focus quietly shifts, not to the judge, not to the victims, not even to the defense table, but to the family of the accused. And in Brian Koberger's sentencing, that moment hit hard because as chilling as his silence was, as vacant as his body

language came off, the heavier gut punch came from imagining what it's like to raise

someone like that, to be his mother, his sister, his father, to sit in that

courtroom and realize the world now sees your son as pure evil. It isn't about sympathy for

the devil, it's about the radioactive fallout that drops on people who never committed the crime

but can never walk away from the person who did. Today, defense attorney and defense diaries host,

Bob Mata, is back with raw, clear eye breakdown of what what Coburgers' courtroom presence really tells us,

not just about him, but about the psychological shockwave that his families,

when someone they love, turns out to be unrecognizable.

And Bob's not speculating from a distance. He's been in the trenches with families just like this.

Families who raised sons who turned into killers.

Families who didn't see it coming.

Families who also did.

We'll dig into Coburgers' non-reaction in court to family's quiet presence.

And the emotional disconnect that likely existed long before the crimes.

Bob compares the moment to other cases like Anthony Garcia and John Wayne Gasey,

and what we learn about these men when we look at their parents, their siblings, their social

footprints.

They're not always what you expect we also confront something a little more uncomfortable that question of generational ruin when the last name becomes synonymous with

evil what happens to everyone else who shares it this conversation isn't going to let us look away.

It's going to force us to sit with the fact that Koberger's family, no matter how you

feel about them, are living a nightmare of their own.

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