This is the Hidden Killers podcast with Tony Bruske and continuing coverage of the case against Brian Koberger.

It's one thing to commit an act so heinous the public turns away and disgust.

It's another to do it with such calculation, such emotional vacancy that even your own father won't show up to your sentencing.

That's where we are with Brian Koberger, according to reports, as the world watched his victims

families deliver some of the most precise and devastating victim impact statements ever seen.

Today's episode, we're pulling back the emotional curtain, not on the crimes themselves, but on the strange, fractured world that now surrounds Koeberger, the unspoken tension

between parental love and moral

disgust, the quiet communication reportedly still happening between Brian and his mother. And the

looming question, what kind of relationship survives this? We've seen the kind of disconnect,

or this kind of disconnect before in high-profile killers,

Lori Vallow with her delusional charm, Chris Watts with his empty stare.

The Coburger?

He's not charismatic.

He's not seductive.

He's not even remotely likable.

He doesn't have the personality to win anyone

over, let alone his cellmates. So when someone stays in his orbit, like his mother allegedly has,

we have to ask, what is she saying? What is he still getting on of it?

And what kind of psychological toll does that take on a parent who's watching her son's humanity vanish in slow motion?

Robin Drake, retired FBI special agent and former chief of the behavioral, excuse me, and former chief of the counterintelligence behavioral analysis

unit is back with us to

unpack all of this, how

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