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Know Your Right To Transportation Justice with Deborah Archer and Sister Helen Jones

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🗓️ 11 April 2025

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Summary

You know that phrase “born on the wrong side of the tracks”? Well, there’s something to it: highways, roads, and sidewalks across America have, for decades now, been racial and economic dividers. And these thoroughfares don’t just reflect inequality—they continue to play an active role in it. This week, W. Kamau Bell is joined by Deborah N. Archer and Sister Helen Jones for a conversation about transportation infrastructure in the United States, and what a safer, more equitable system could look like. Deborah N. Archer is President of the ACLU, and a tenured professor and associate dean at New York University School of Law. She’s also the author of the new book Dividing Lines: How Transportation Infrastructure Reinforces Racial Inequality. Sister Helen Jones is a community organizer and activist in the Watts neighborhood of Southern California. At Liberty is a production of the ACLU, and hosted by W. Kamau Bell. This episode was executive produced by Jessica Herman Weitz and Gwen Schroeder for the ACLU, and W. Kamau Bell, Kelly Rafferty, PhD, and Melissa Hudson Bell, PhD for Who Knows Best Productions. It was recorded at Skyline Studios in Oakland, CA. At Liberty is edited and produced by Erica Getto and Myrriah Gossett for Good Get.

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0:00.0

Hey everyone, it's me, W. Kamau Bell. Welcome back to the ACLU's podcast at Liberty. Every episode I'm asking the big questions on the big issues affecting our big country, especially our hardest hit in most vulnerable communities. And I'm calling on experts from the ACLU and beyond.

0:21.1

Come on, that's infinity and beyond.

0:23.1

We recently added an episode on protest and free speech to our Know Your Rights series.

0:27.3

If you haven't listened yet, check it out.

0:28.9

If you have, share it with a friend.

0:30.9

Tell it to a friend who.

0:33.5

Tell it to a friend who.

0:35.7

Today we're turning our attention to a civil rights issue and one that might not seem

0:39.3

that way on the surface, but we're talking about transportation justice.

0:45.3

Here's what you need to know.

0:47.3

In the early 1900s racial zoning laws, housing covenants, and other restrictions

0:53.3

led to segregated communities across the

0:55.7

country. As civil rights laws advanced, so did plans to connect America through a system of highways.

1:02.5

But these plans primarily befitted white suburban communities and furthered the physical and

1:08.4

economic destruction of black communities. To put it in focus, one in eight black residents in St. Paul, Minnesota lost their home to I-94.

1:17.6

You know that phrase born on the wrong side of the tracks?

1:21.6

Well, there's something to it.

1:22.6

Highways, roads, and sidewalks have for decades now been racial and economic dividers.

1:28.3

And as today's guests know well, these thoroughfares don't just reflect inequality,

1:33.3

they continue to play an active role in creating inequality.

1:37.3

All right, as always, let's take a breath.

1:40.3

You got this, and the ACLU's got you. Let's get it. We have two guests joining us today.

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