Know Your Digital Privacy Rights with Esha Bhandari and Daniel Kahn Gillmor

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4.8 • 585 Ratings

🗓️ 25 April 2025

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

End-to-end encryption. Burner phones. Biometric authentication. Our technology is more advanced than ever, but what does that mean for our digital footprints—and how our data is tracked, whether we’re crossing a US border or at home? This week, we’re exploring our right to digital privacy and how protecting our data can help protect our freedom of speech and expression. This conversation was made to be leaked. Esha Bhandari is deputy director of the ACLU's Speech, Privacy, and Technology Project. And Daniel Kahn Gillmor is a Senior Staff Technologist for the ACLU's Speech, Privacy, and Technology Project. At Liberty is a production of the ACLU, and hosted by W. Kamau Bell. This episode was executive produced by Jessica Herman Weitz and Gwen Schroeder for the ACLU, and W. Kamau Bell, Kelly Rafferty, PhD, and Melissa Hudson Bell, PhD for Who Knows Best Productions. It was recorded at Skyline Studios in Oakland, CA. Special thanks to David Boyer and KALW. At Liberty is edited and produced by Erica Getto and Myrriah Gossett for Good Get.

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0:00.0	Hey everybody, it's me, W Kamaabelle.
0:05.0	Welcome back to the ASLU's podcast at Liberty.
0:08.0	Every episode I'm asking the big questions on the big issues affecting our country, especially
0:12.7	our hardest hit and most vulnerable communities.
0:15.6	And I'm calling on experts from the ACLU and beyond for their much-needed guidance.
0:21.7	Last episode, we turned our attention to roads, highways, and bridges, and what they can tell us
0:25.8	about inequality in the United States.
0:27.9	Turns out that's a lot.
0:29.5	Today, we're building, pun intended, on our Know Your Rights series with a conversation
0:34.8	about digital privacy.
0:36.6	Picture it.
0:38.8	You've just wrapped up a work trip or maybe a family vacation and you're headed back to the U.S. You're playing lands and you feel a
0:44.0	sense of relief. Almost home. As you approach border control, you take out your passport. Maybe you
0:49.9	scroll through Instagram or check the weather. Finally, you're in front of a border agent. And they
0:55.4	ask you to hand over your phone. Your mind goes to that Trump meme you saved your camera
1:01.0	role, to the trans influencer you follow, to the episode of At Liberty that you shared with a friend.
1:06.8	And then it hits you. Am I going to be okay?
1:16.5	It feels like every day now we're hearing about a new encounter with border agents.
1:20.3	We've seen a French scientist denied U.S. entry on his way to a conference,
1:23.7	a doctor on an H-1B visa deported to Lebanon,
1:28.1	and we've seen headlines and TikToks urging U.S. citizens and non-citizens alike to seek out burner phones, encryption, and other protective measures.
1:32.7	If you found yourself doom scrolling, you've come to the right place.
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