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The Orvis Fly-Fishing Podcast

Knotted Leaders, Furled Leaders, Braided Leaders—and Favorite Knots, with Brian Flechsig

The Orvis Fly-Fishing Podcast

James Hathaway

Bass, Fishing, Bonefish, Wilderness, Flyfishing, Trout, How To, Steelhead, Bluegill, Fly, Orvis, Sports, Salmon, Panfish, Education, Rosenbauer

4.81.9K Ratings

🗓️ 27 October 2025

⏱️ 110 minutes

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Summary

I've wanted to get Brian Flechsig of Mad River Outfitters [49:59] on the podcast for quite a while and we finally made it happen. Brian is the star of many great YouTube videos and he loves to get into the details of tackle rigging. He's a knotted leader expert and he explains his simple three-part system for tying saltwater and bass leaders. He also talks about his use of furled leaders and the now-extinct Orvis Braided Leaders. Brian and I also discuss our favorite knots and a philosophy for choosing your own knots—always a hot topic.   

In the Fly Box this week we have these questions and tips:
When does it make more sense to modify a fly instead of changing flies?
If you don't see any bug activity, can you still catch fish on dry flies?
Why would you ever use a strike indicator when you can use a dry dropper rig?
I live on a trout stream that hardly anyone else fishes. How long should I rest the river in between trips?  Will the fish move out if I fish it too hard?
I saw a bunch of dead and struggling rainbows in the shallows. What do you think caused this?
How can I get my Comparaduns to fan out when I tie them?
When wouldn't you substitute CDC, rabbit's foot, or a synthetic when tying Comparaduns?
What are your thoughts on winding foam around a hook to make flies float better?
What is your favorite cricket pattern?
If modern graphite rods are so stiff, why design a 5-weight rod that is really a 6-weight?
How should I orient my rod when I cast to make sure I take advantage of the spine properly?
I have heard that you should fish a small stream downstream so the fish doesn't see your fly line. Is this correct?
A tip from a listener on how to keep fly boxes dry when wading deep.
Do you ever take backpacking/fishing trips?

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hi, and welcome to the Orvis Fly Fishing podcast.

0:18.4

This is your host, Tom Rosenbauer.

0:20.1

And my guest this week is Brian Fleisch of Mad River Outfitters in Ohio.

0:25.3

You've probably seen a number of Brian's videos on YouTube, which are excellent.

0:31.5

He talks about products and techniques and all kinds of interesting things.

0:36.1

And I've been wanting to get Brian on the podcast for a while, but he's a busy guy.

0:40.5

Finally got hold of him.

0:42.2

And what we're going to talk about today is leaders.

0:47.8

But we're not going to just talk about leaders.

0:49.9

We're also going to talk about knots.

0:51.4

And I know knots always create some controversy

0:56.4

amongst fly fishers.

0:58.8

And it's interesting because Brian has a different philosophy on leaders than I do.

1:04.2

I'm kind of a not-less leader guy.

1:06.3

I do modify him quite a bit, but I generally use Nautless leaders from the package and then modify

1:11.6

him, whereas Brian is a knotted leader guy. And he's going to talk about, specifically about

1:19.3

knotted leaders for saltwater, bass fishing, things other than trout fishing. But also about some

1:27.4

other trout fishing leaders.

1:28.7

We're going to talk about furled leaders, which I get a lot of questions about.

1:33.7

We're also going to be talking about the extinct Orvis braided butt leaders, which are no longer

1:41.1

available, but I've been asked about them before.

1:44.7

So lots of stuff about leaders and knots and tippet material.

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