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Ab-Sata and at all protected, subject to availability and conditions. Welcome to the show for this episode as promised. We're looking back at Kitchen Confidential Anthony Bourdain's 2000 memoir, Exposay, collection of non-fiction.

I guess maybe talking about the form is not a bad way to start like what genre is this that's part of the fun of it.

Hard to believe it was 20 years ago as we said last episode as we were kind of prepping for this show it both feels like

kitchen confidential came out a longer time ago but then it was only 20 years

only a couple years since Anthony Bourdain died I think what's so fascinating, rereading this here is he is not the

Bourdain he becomes in many ways, but in many ways he is. And I think that to see the seeds to see the acorn and the oak tree I guess at one in the same time and and see the variance but also the same this between them is one of the things that really

Jumped out to me, tell me about the first, your first Bourdain memory and then maybe your

first kitchen confidential memory if they're not one in the same thing.

Yeah, I think my first Bourdain memory,

and I wish that I had known at the time

like how important he was going to end up being to me

so I could have soaked it in properly,

but I'm pretty sure my first memory was just

seeing episodes of no reservations on TV. I was graduated from college and started

grad school in 2005 when no reservations debuted and and I've loved that show and I've loved that show and I've seen all the

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