Amy Sandler, the host of the Radical Cander podcast, and you are in for a treat today. We have got a

radically candid conversation ahead. Welcome back to the podcast, Russ Larraway, author of the

book, When They Win, You Win, Being a Great manager is simpler than you think. It's coming out on June

7th. Go ahead and pre-order it now. Pre-order it now. Sometimes I feel like I have Kim Scott's voice

in my ears and I think I do right now.

Pre-order it now, and they win you, and we all do.

For those of you who also remember Russ's voice in your ears, you know Russ Best as the OG co-host with Kim of this very podcast.

Russ is currently chief people officer at Goodwater Capital.

He's also the creator of career conversations, which is covered in radical candor, and

Russ dedicates nearly 100 pages of his new book to career conversations as well.

We are so very happy to welcome Russ back. And Kim, over to you. Thank you. It is so, I've been

looking forward all day long to this conversation, Russ. You know, I thought about starting off by saying

the prodigal son returns and then quickly say, just kidding, it's Russ.

I didn't know if that'd be funny.

I didn't know if that'd be funny.

Well, clearly, I thought it was funny.

I always enjoy talking to you.

And I thought we would sort of kick this off by me sharing with everyone here, some feedback

that you gave to me when we worked at Google together,

which is, which feels like supreme irony. So I recall at one point at Google, you told me, you said,

Kim, you value quantitative skills more than leadership skills, which was true. I remember thinking that it

was really, unfortunately, true feedback. And I got to say, hopefully I've taken that to heart

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