Hello, everybody, and welcome to the Radical Cander Podcast. I'm Kim Scott, co-founder of Radical Cander, and also Just Work.

And I'm Jason Roseoff, CEO and co-founder of Radical Cander. And I'm Amy Sandler, your host for the Radical Cander podcast. On our last two episodes,

we talked about step two in the get shit done wheel, which is how to clarify an idea. First,

getting it really clear in your own mind and then making it easy for others to understand as well.

So now that you've got that down, it is tempting to feel like you're done.

Not so fast.

Kim,

do you think it's tempting for people to feel like

they want to get it done?

They're done at the clarified state.

Yeah, once you've decided, do it.

Yeah.

And decide is that we haven't even gotten to decide.

We haven't even gotten to decide.

Yeah.

Right. When you're clarified, once you're clear in your mind, just start doing stuff.

The whole point of spending all that time in clarification mode is just to get your idea ready

for a debate, which is step three of the get shit done wheel. If you skip the debate phase, you're going to make worse decisions,

you'll be unable to persuade everyone that needs to implement, and you'll ultimately slow down

or grind to a halt the process. So on this episode, we're going to talk about the steps to

follow for a successful debating process. And Kim, in Radical Candor, you write that debates should

take place in big debate meetings. In fact, those were each all capitalized. So please do. Tell us

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