Hi and welcome to the working songwriter. The show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop, I'm your host, Joe Pug.

Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest, and we ask them to go deep on their

inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran doing Beakram yoga so that you can still do the climactic jump off the kick drum at the end of your set, or else a scrappy upstart, doing meditation in the back of your tour band to mitigate your loathing for the band's new drummer.

This is your show, because ultimately it is what every writer seeks most, an ironclad excuse to put off actually writing.

Hey, everybody, it's the first Friday of November 24, and I thank you for joining us.

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