This is the Guardian.

Before we start, if you haven't heard episode one, go back and take a listen.

And a warning, this episode includes descriptions of animal

cruelty. So I had my first call with Natural England six weeks ago and asked them if they could send over the camera footage of the

chicks being stamped on and I haven't got it yet. We basically want them to show us the nest and tell us about the hen

Harrier conservation work that they're doing in that area. They're not getting back

to my emails about arranging this trip.

For weeks I had been trying to arrange a meeting with Stephen Murphy from Natural England,

the government body in charge of protecting its wildlife. Stephen was the lead staff member who'd been

monitoring Susie. Susie was the hen harrier whose nest of chicks had been crushed

and this was the story I had been investigating.

Natural England has to work closely with landowners because nests are often on private land and they need permission to access them.

Okay, I'm going to call my contact for the fourth time.

It turned out not to be as straightforward as I'd expected.

Okay, I have a miscall from my contact in Natural England, so I'm going to give them a buzz back.

As producer Madeline found out on my debrief calls, I was starting to get frustrated with what was going on behind

the scenes.

She said they're having difficulty with landowner permissions and I said, like, have you

asked the landowner permission?

And she said no and I said, so how do you know there's difficulty with landowner

permissions?

But yeah, I was kind of quite sharp on the phone.

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