You are listening to the Roberta Glass True Crime Report, putting the true back in true crime.

From New York City, Roberta Glass is now on the record.

My guest, Jennifer Harmon holds a master's in divinity from Phillips Theological Seminary,

a native and resident of Tulsa, Oklahoma.

Jennifer sits on the community advisory board for public safety in Tulsa.

A veteran, Jennifer has also worked with high security inmates, teaching them decision-making,

communication skills, and guiding them through the 12-step recovery process.

However, it is Ms. Harmon's work countering the disinformation of Paul Howell's killer, Julius Jones,

and the free Julius Jones campaign that made me want to talk to Jennifer Harmon,

and that's the subject of today's interview. Welcome, Jennifer Harmon. So you have an interesting background. How did you get interested in this case? Well, I'm from Oklahoma. I'm a native

Tulson. I know a lot of the players who are activists and sympathizers of Mr. Jones. I have fought with them and stood behind

them and stood in solidarity with them on many different occasions. And I never really paid a

whole lot of attention to the details of the Jones case. I noticed some attention to it a couple of years ago,

but not a whole lot. And then I knew that people I went to seminary with and former professors,

you know, I'd see their things on social media about supporting that cause. And I think I just

took for granted that there might be something amiss there. I mean, you know, people that used to be your teacher and seminary, why on earth

would they be involved in something unless it was valid?

And then I watched the commutation hearing.

And I listened to Rachel Howell explain what happened.

And when she said the thing about the wave, I was just waving and a kid

and walked up and I just waved and said hi. And then what struck me about that is I knew that was

like a ringer. I knew that was one of those details that only the shooter would know. And

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