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Kill or Be Killed? (Revisited)

20/20

ABC News

True Crime

3.87.3K Ratings

🗓️ 6 December 2025

⏱️ 82 minutes

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Summary

Was it a case of self-defense or murder after a mom of two shot and killed her partner? (Originally broadcast 2/4/23) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

This is obviously no whodunit. It's a why done him.

0:06.0

You've got violent encounter, a man inside an apartment, and gun.

0:11.0

So how many shots are fired?

0:13.0

Why do you?

0:14.0

Okay, what is going on here?

0:16.0

Where do I go? Like, where do I do?

0:18.0

Your kids are fine. We are completely safe. They find this young man lying on his couch with a very close shot bullet wound to his head.

0:28.6

He took out his gun.

0:30.6

He showed me how to load it.

0:32.6

A closet.

0:33.6

You think about doing anything like here it is.

0:36.6

Here's your chance.

0:38.0

It's pretty unique to have a beloved gymnastics coach of kids

0:42.4

and a preschool teacher and stay-at-home mom

0:45.0

involved in something like this.

0:47.7

My mother came home and she woke me.

0:51.6

I knew something was awful.

0:53.3

This appears to be murder.

0:55.0

Anybody reading about it is like, what?

0:58.0

She's not at all safe right now.

1:00.0

...

1:01.0

... It's 216 in the morning, September 28th, and there is a red car stopped at the traffic light.

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