Kidnapping and chaos: welcome to Trump’s world
Politics Weekly UK
The Guardian
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🗓️ 8 January 2026
⏱️ 33 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | This is The Guardian. |
| 0:10.1 | The real question is, by what right does Denmark assert control over Greenland? |
| 0:14.6 | What is the basis of their territorial claim? |
| 0:17.1 | For the United States to secure the Arctic region to protect and defend NATO and NATO interests, |
| 0:23.1 | obviously Greenland should be part of the United States. |
| 0:25.7 | What a week. |
| 0:26.8 | The new world, it seems, has been ushered in by the kidnapping of a president, |
| 0:30.6 | the seizure of two oil tankers and America's threats to somehow take control of Greenland. |
| 0:36.2 | Is this really a time for Britain to be staying close |
| 0:38.5 | to Donald Trump? I'm John Harris and you're listening to Politics Weekly for the Guardian. |
| 0:44.6 | My Politics Weekly co-host, Kieran Stacy, is here. Hello, Kieran. Hi, John. And we're also |
| 0:49.7 | joined, I'm very pleased to say, by the Guardian's Defence and Security editor, Dan Sabah. Hello, |
| 0:54.1 | Dan. Hi, hi. I wondered if we could start by trying to boil down what the events of the last few days mean in terms of how the world now works. Doctoral thesis have been written about less, but let's have a go. Here's my attempt. It seems to me there are basically no rules or dependable alliances right now. Might is what counts and everything's about money. I suppose you can argue that's always been the case. But there was at least a veneer of sort of diplomatic politess and decency. That's gone. And for the time being, it seems to me that the US and its role in the world has fundamentally changed. And a lot of fear and uncertainty is what we're left |
| 1:28.2 | with, Kira, would you concur? Yeah, to a certain extent. I mean, I think that geopolitics has been |
| 1:33.4 | getting more transactional, you know, for years now. And I remember being in India when |
| 1:39.1 | Norendra Modi was early on in his first time in office. And lots of people trying to figure out what India's |
| 1:45.4 | place in the world was. And, you know, Modi's answer to that was, well, we'll essentially see |
| 1:50.3 | who gives us the best deal. And I think that that actually has been the case for leaders across |
| 1:55.8 | the world for best part of a decade. And so you see that with Trump as well. You know, he's a dealmaker. He's a business person. He wants what's going to make him, his family, his country, the most money and put them in the most secure position. I think the only thing that's changed for me, it always used to be my assumption that Trump really didn't like foreign adventurism. He campaigned very openly against things like the Iraq |
| 2:17.6 | war and wanted to get troops out of Afghanistan, et cetera, et cetera. It really surprised me the |
| 2:23.9 | action that the US took in Venezuela. Pippa and I talked about this earlier in the week. |
| 2:29.0 | I genuinely thought there wouldn't be military intervention on this kind of scale from the US under the Trump |
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