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The Business of Fashion Podcast

Kenneth Cole on Why Mental Health is the Other Big Pandemic

The Business of Fashion Podcast

The Business of Fashion

Fashion & Beauty, Business, Arts

4.6770 Ratings

🗓️ 8 October 2020

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Summary

The American designer talks about his efforts to destigmatize mental health issues and the importance of improving emotional wellbeing in the fashion industry. 

LONDON, United Kingdom — “[There] needs to be a cultural shift… a new narrative, a new vocabulary, a new way to talk about mental health that [isn’t] debilitating, but is in fact empowering,” designer and social activist Kenneth Cole told BoF Founder and Editor-in-Chief Imran Amed. 

Cole recently brought together leading US mental health organisations and high-profile advocates and media platforms to launch the Mental Health Coalition, an organisation that seeks to destigmatize the topic. In the latest episode of The BoF Podcast, he discussed how the issue pervades the fashion industry and efforts to address it. 

 

  • “The fashion industry is a perception industry, and how we are perceived often is how we see ourselves,” Cole said, warning of the dangers to mental health when designers become preoccupied with reviews, likes on a post or comments from editors. “We define ourselves so often by these external forces that we can’t control and to a degree if you allow them to take hold then you become a victim of that. I often say, ‘fashion is what I do, it's not who I am.’”
  • The pressures on designers have become even more intense with the rise of social media. That’s more true than ever in an era where the pandemic has at times made digital the only available avenue of communication. Constantly being exposed to the feedback and opinions of others can feel debilitating Cole said.  “Unfortunately our industry embraces it and rewards it… and the more likes you have and the bigger audience you have, the more access you will often have.” 
  • What’s next is changing the way people speak about mental health so it there’s less stigma attached to it. The best way to do that “be supportive and non-judgemental and listen,” Cole said. “We all have different degrees and we have ups and we have downs. And we have periods where we’re feeling more in control than other [times]... [but] having a conversation is a big first step.” 

 

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You can express a level of empathy at the beginning of a conversation and how are you?

0:31.2

And ask the question in a way that encourages and suggests a willingness to really hear how they are and not be judgmental of it.

0:38.3

What have you learned in the work that you're doing around mental health about how social media has played a role in this growing pandemic?

0:46.3

When you're forced to look in the mirror all the time and you allow yourself to be subject to the feedback and opinions of people that you know and you don't know and you respect

0:56.1

and some you don't. You never are going to come through this thing in a healthy way.

1:04.3

Hi, this is Imran Ahmed, founder and CEO of the Business of Fashion and welcome to the BOF

1:09.3

podcast. Recently on an episode of BOF Live, I sat down with Kenneth Cole, the very successful

1:16.0

shoe designer who turned his brand into a major global phenomenon.

1:21.1

More recently, Kenneth has turned his focus and energy towards the issue of mental health,

1:26.9

which he thinks should be considered

1:28.8

the other great pandemic in the complicated times that we're all living through right now.

1:34.2

In this conversation, Kenna talks to me a little bit about his views on mental health and

1:38.5

what we in the fashion industry might do to foster a more healthy, safe environment for our

1:43.9

teams and also remove the stigma associated with mental health. might do to foster a more healthy, safe environment for our teams

1:44.3

and also remove the stigma associated with mental health.

1:48.5

Here's Kenneth Cole, Inside Fashion.

1:54.1

Today I'm thrilled to have Kenneth Cole, who's joining us,

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