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The Rich Roll Podcast

Kendra Little Is Becoming More: Broadening The Gender Identity Conversation

The Rich Roll Podcast

Rich Roll

Health & Fitness, Education, Self-improvement, Society & Culture

4.812.9K Ratings

🗓️ 23 December 2019

⏱️ 105 minutes

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Summary

Growing up in the late 1970's there was no conversation around gender identity. You were either male or female. Period, end of discussion. Times have changed. The way we currently think about gender has evolved. Each day brings greater mainstream awareness to its non-binary nature -- and the innate fluidity of gender roles and identity. Take a moment to imagine the experience of being intersex -- a condition in which an individual is born with genetic variations on conventional sex characteristics. Now imagine trying to navigate the world from this non-binary biological disposition. This is the story of Kendra Little. Raised as a girl, at age 12 Kendra learned that she was born with something called androgen insensitivity syndrome, a variation of intersex that affects between 2 to 5 out of 100,000 people. The news prompted Kendra to isolate. Adopting a hormone protocol on the advice of her doctors, she remained a ‘girl’, proceeded to never discuss her condition with anybody and dove headlong into sports -- a place where she excelled and felt at home. But eventually the emotional dissonance between her true self and that which she held out to the world became too much to bear, prompting her to walk away from a promising career as a professional golfer. But that disconnect ultimately catalyzed an amazing journey of self-discovery -- and eventually wholeness. Now able to fully embrace her own unique identity (very recently I might add), Kendra is publicly sharing her story -- with both courage and pride. The intention isn't self-serving, but motivated by a genuine desire to change the way we think about non-binary gender constructs. To bring comfort to those ashamed of how they were born. And to openly permit sharing the many forms of loneliness, pain and shame so many of us keep hidden. This past July, Kendra tweeted me a video entitled Becoming More -- her story in mini-doc form created by Uninterrupted, LeBron James’ production company. I click play. Instantly, I’m captivated by Kendra’s appearance. Her facial features present as simultaneously male and female. She's both, but also neither. Kendra is truly her own unique form of humanity. But her appearance is quickly eclipsed by her strength and vulnerability -- and the compelling narrative that unfolds. I knew immediately this was a special person I wanted to know better. A fascinating story I wanted to help tell. And quite honestly, a subject matter of social importance and cultural relevance I wanted to better understand. So here we are. Kendra, I honor you for your courage in trusting me with this conversation, a privilege I don't take lightly. You can watch it all go down on YouTube (seeing Kendra helps contextualize the exchange). This one is special. May it be as enjoyable and enlightening as it was for me. Peace + Plants, Rich Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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0:00.0

I did everything in my power just to block it out and not think about it and I got really

0:06.0

good at it, which probably not a good thing, that block things out that are clearly impacting

0:12.7

your life and need to be addressed.

0:14.5

I'd have moments or I'd see things in the news or hear about other people that were somewhat

0:21.3

related to gender or whatever and it would kind of bring me back to a self-realization

0:26.0

moment and it was like a great cause of anxiety.

0:29.7

I think that's an important thing to say.

0:31.4

This is something that I've been trying to kind of tiptoe around like is in talking about

0:35.5

this because one thing I don't want to do is alienate the trans community and deal legitimize

0:43.2

what they're feeling just because it's not from a genetic standpoint.

0:46.2

I was genetically born both but that doesn't mean that someone that wasn't genetically

0:51.4

born as they were born or who they were born as, that doesn't take away from how they feel

0:56.4

just because they don't have a genetic thing to back it up.

0:59.5

And it goes back to it's never about what anyone else thinks or anyone else feels about

1:04.4

you, it's about how you feel about yourself.

1:07.0

That's Kendra Little and this is the Retro podcast.

1:15.6

The Retro podcast.

1:25.1

Hey everybody, how you guys doing?

1:26.2

What's happening?

1:27.2

My name is Rich Roll.

1:28.3

I'm your host here on this podcast thing.

1:30.6

Welcome or welcome back.

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