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🗓️ 16 December 2025
⏱️ 60 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | It's being adopted quickly, and then it's in a technology that's being adopted on top of a society that is just, as you know, really unstable. |
| 0:07.4 | Just a lot of, you know, challenges around trust in institutions, polarization, economic inequality that's pretty, you know, significant. |
| 0:16.8 | And so introducing a technology this quickly that's general purpose, I think, is cause for the answer. |
| 0:22.8 | And now the good fight with Yasha Monk. |
| 0:31.1 | As you know, I have been getting really interested in the topic of artificial intelligence, |
| 0:36.1 | which, like it or not not is going to have huge |
| 0:38.6 | impacts on the world. Now, in some of the past episodes, we've looked at just how AI systems |
| 0:44.0 | actually work. We've had Jeffrey Hinton and David Bauer talk us through how to understand |
| 0:49.4 | the technology behind artificial intelligence. We have talked about some of the really high-stakes implications of AI. |
| 0:56.7 | Nick Sauri told us about why he's really worried about the existential risk from AI. |
| 1:03.0 | But we haven't really had a broad conversation about the different kind of ways in which |
| 1:07.6 | artificial intelligence is likely to transform the political world |
| 1:11.4 | and how it is that we should think about governing AI, what kind of public policy response |
| 1:16.7 | we should mount to this important new all-purpose technology. |
| 1:21.0 | Well, a little while ago I was at a conference where somebody I have known for a while |
| 1:27.2 | gave a presentation about those topics |
| 1:28.9 | that I found to be really helpful in making me think through just the different kind of |
| 1:34.2 | buckets of impact that AI is likely to have. |
| 1:36.9 | From straightforward stuff like the administration of elections, too much bigger things, |
| 1:41.7 | like the way it will transform our basic socioeconomic context or might |
| 1:46.1 | change warfare in the 21st century. And so I decided to invite Kelly Bowen on to have a conversation |
| 1:54.7 | about all of these things together on the podcast. Kelly is the inaugural director of a democracy rights and governance initiative |
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