Hi Paul. Hi Ardly. How are you doing? I'm doing great. How are you? I'm so good. It's so great to have you on Small Town Dicks. Oh I am so happy to be here. So we want to know how did we persuade you to join us here on Small Town Dicks. Oh it was it was a lot of arm twisting. Not the truth.

Well what has always impressed me about Small Town Dicks is the professionalism. First you have your authenticity. You know Dan and Dave, myself we come out of real crime. We've had real experiences. And so the audience, the listeners are getting from Small Town Dicks. What actually happens out there. Not something that's been glamorized. But also you guys don't exploit the cases. You're empathetic to the victims. And this is what I'm all about. And I know that people who know me from

other projects, they will truly see that when they start listening to Small Town Dicks. That's an incredible endorsement. Dan and Dave tell the fine people about some Patreon. Where Paul Holes also joins us on quite a few nuggety nuggets. For just five bucks a month you'll have access to an assortment of bonus episodes, outtakes, listener questions, special series.

All Town Fam you get everything Dave said and your hard earned money goes to support our incredible staff behind the scenes to give you this podcast that we all love. So please join us at patreon.com slash Small Town Dicks.

I've always been a great believer in luck. You're going to be a detective. You need luck. You need a break. You have to work hard. And you can't do anything.

You need to look. You need a break. You have to work hard. And you can make your own luck a lot of the time. And once you get that break you've really got to work it because it's going to run out eventually.

When a serious crime is committed in a small town a handful of detectives are charged with solving the case. I'm yardly and I'm fascinated by these stories.

So I invited my friends detectives Dan and Dave to help me gather the best true crime cases from around the country and have the men and women who investigated them tell us how it happened.

I'm Dan and I'm Dave, where identical twins from Small Town USA. Dave investigated sex crimes and crimes against children. He's now a patrol sergeant at his police department.

Dan investigated violent crimes. He's now retired. Together we have more than two decades experience and have worked hundreds of cases.

We've altered names, places, relationships, and certain details in these cases to maintain the privacy of the victims and their families.

So we ask you to join us in protecting their true identities as well as the locations of these crimes out of respect for everyone involved. Thank you.

Today on Small Town Dicks we have the usual suspects. We have Detective Dan.

Good morning. Good morning. Good to see you. Great to see you. You sound unconvinced. These are always awkward. Still after all this time and we have Detective Dave.

I am here next to Twin Brother Dan. Yes you are. Where it all began. This is where it all began. Yes. And Small Town Fam.

This is another incredible day here in season eight of this podcast because we have left the United States once again to meet up with a new guest to the podcast.

Retired Detective Chief Superintendent Roddy who hangs his hat in Scotland. Roddy, thank you so much for sitting down with us today.

Hi. How are you doing? It's really good to be here. I couldn't be more excited actually. I think you're excited. I'm going to trumpet because I'm still very excited about actually being able to see people in America over my internet.

That's how old I am. I still think it's a magic box. So yeah. Really looking forward to. We are too. I'm just going to give my usual pandemic disclaimer here and say that since we're all recording from our homes,

you might hear garbage trucks, lawnmowers, pets, you know, life. I'm a little upset too because I kind of wanted to go to Scotland. Ditto. Well, my wife said when she saw the kit that you sent me, goodness me,

we'd have not been cheaper just to take the two of us over to America. I love your wife. That's fantastic. So, Roddy, we love to get the lay of the land from our guests whenever we can.

Would you tell us a little bit about your jurisdiction? Sure. There's been a lot of changes in Scotland recently. We now have a national police force, but at the time I'm talking about I was the DCI, which is the detective children's vector in Perth.

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