KB Has an HONEST Conversation on 116 Fallout, Reconciliation, and Christian Hip Hop
The Deep End With Lecrae
Lecrae
4.8 • 602 Ratings
🗓️ 28 May 2026
⏱️ 79 minutes
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Summary
KB has been one of the most theologically sharp voices in Christian hip hop for over two decades. In this episode, he finally says what he's never said publicly — about his relationship with Lecrae, the tension inside 116, and the years it took to get to the other side of it.
This one goes deep.
IN THIS EPISODE:
- How KB came to faith at 16 through a bootleg mixtape
- The Flavor Fest moment that connected KB and Lecrae for the first time
- What KB was carrying inside 116 that Lecrae didn't know about
- The counseling session KB needed before he could tour with Lecrae
- The South by Southwest text that nearly fractured the movement
- Why KB felt Lecrae was over-indexing his mainstream reach
- The tearful reconciliation — and what it took to get there
- KB on reformed theology, race, and navigating Black identity in evangelical spaces
- Why KB says the new generation of Christian artists is getting the victory without the cross
- Contentment as a superpower — and why suffering is how you get it
- KB's new album This Cannot Be Sold and what's next
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| 0:00.0 | Ladies and gentlemen, Kevin Burgess, aka KB, your favorite rapper's favorite rapper. |
| 0:05.0 | The craziest big brother to me has been that for a long time. |
| 0:09.0 | I can testify that you've been very supportive of me internally, but it felt like in public |
| 0:16.0 | there was a difference, you know? |
| 0:19.0 | I can't highlight this duty, two Christians. Exactly. I pulled you aside, I said, hey, bro, are you ashamed of me in Tripli? Because there was a season where our relationship had become like 50% contentious. I remember going to counseling. Really? Wow. I remember one time, I'm gonna tell the story. Y'all can't get this out of the end of it. No, tell the story. I remember one time... There was a season where I said, Ah, don't call me a Christian hip-hop artist. I'm popping up in more of these mainstream spaces and people would say, The Cray, you sold out. This is really kind of the first time that I have talked about this candidly. |
| 0:55.1 | I feel this is the deep end with La Cray. |
| 1:07.2 | Ladies and gentlemen, this is one that a lot of people have been waiting for. |
| 1:11.6 | Now, for those people who are listening and not watching, I'm going to actually read this bio because I don't need to read this. |
| 1:17.6 | I know this man. This is like a family member, but I'm going to read this because those of us who are listening need the details. Okay, so listen to this. |
| 1:26.6 | Listen to this. He's been doing this a long |
| 1:30.8 | time. He has been traversing the world as one of the most phenomenal rappers that you've ever |
| 1:42.0 | encountered. Okay. This man man is one of the most theologically astute musicians that you're going to find. |
| 1:54.9 | Grew up on the south side of St. Petersburg, Florida. |
| 1:57.9 | Came to faith at 16 years old when somebody handed him a Christian hip hop |
| 2:01.8 | CD, eight songs on it in the gospel presentation. |
| 2:05.2 | His whole life changed from there. |
| 2:07.0 | And everything he's done since, every record, every stage, every book, every conversation |
| 2:12.9 | has been in the service of the same thing that saved him. |
| 2:17.6 | He is a Dove Award winner. |
| 2:20.2 | Five studio albums, number six on the way. |
| 2:22.7 | I think that's right. |
| 2:23.9 | Title of the album is This Cannot Be Sold, which tells you everything that you need to know about where he's at right now. |
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