Katrina vanden Heuvel on Gorbachev’s legacy and the Ukraine proxy war

Useful Idiots with Katie Halper and Aaron Maté

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🗓️ 9 September 2022

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Click here for the full episode: https://usefulidiots.substack.com/p/extended-episode-katrina-vanden-heuvel?r=je5va&s=w&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web Become a Useful Idiot for extended interviews and bonus content at http://usefulidiots.substack.com “We need to not treat the idea of peace as subversive.” Katrina vanden Heuvel, publisher and editorial director of The Nation, predicts a dark cold war ahead if our leaders continue their craven militarism. The first step, she says, is talking about it openly, which, sadly, the media won’t do. “The crisis is on us. And there’s a lack not only of preparedness but of thinking about the crisis.” Katrina, who was close with the late Mikhail Gorbachev, shares the leader’s personal thoughts on peace, nuclear weapons, and the worsening relationship between US and Russian presidents. She calls Gorbachev “a great reformer in his country’s tormented history.” And shares some private stories about him too. And she reflects on her late husband, scholar Stephen Cohen, when we react to a video of him offering a very prescient analysis of the new Cold War. Plus, Biden does fascist Roger Waters, Liz Truss wants to nuke you, and the latest in terrible Trump-themed drinks. It’s all this, and more, on this week’s episode of Useful Idiots. Check it out. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hello and welcome to Useful Idiots. I'm Katie Halper.
0:08.0	And I'm Aaron Attec. How are you Katie?
0:10.0	Good you. I'm well.
0:12.0	Well you know what? I got to share with people, share with the Useful Idiots fam that last week
0:18.0	I saw a great Roger Waters concert. Friend of show Roger Waters saw him at Madison Square Garden.
0:24.0	It was a great show. It was pretty cool. He had a, it was just an incredible experience.
0:30.0	I never thought I'd live to see Julian Assange's name on in big lights on Madison Square Garden.
0:36.0	Not on the marquee, obviously, but in the actual inside.
0:41.0	Shrewen Avalaakle also, he had the names of lots of martyrs and activists and heroes.
0:48.0	Different people's faces. Of course, there was the music, the poetic music. It was just a great show.
0:54.0	I highly recommend if anyone lives in a place where that tour is headed.
0:58.0	It's called the, this is not a drill that they get tickets to see Roger Waters. It was a great show.
1:04.0	I was so bummed to miss it. And I'm even more bummed because he's coming to Vancouver where I am right now.
1:10.0	But I have to leave a few days before he gets here. So I'm missing him close to coast.
1:16.0	It's almost like you're intentionally trying not to see Roger Waters.
1:20.0	Absolutely not. No, Roger has been amazing. And he's been just the stances he takes and the flag he gets for them.
1:30.0	He's such an inspiration. And I've, I've only heard just the ravest of reviews about the show.
1:36.0	So, yeah, it was really excellent. If you can catch it, go check it out.
1:40.0	And you know what's interesting. I talked about this. So your whole Grey Zone or Max Lumenthal and I did a, we ran into each other at the Roger Waters concert.
1:49.0	Didn't know that we were going to be there. We ran into each other and then we caught up and we decided to do a review.
1:54.0	A little reaction to Joe Biden's speech that he gave last week, which you can catch on.
2:00.0	I guess on the Grey Zone and also on the Katie helper show YouTube.com.
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