Hi listeners of Clear and Vivid. This is Sarah Chase on the Associate Producer for

Alan Alda. Alan's on vacation right now and we're joined in the studio by

somebody very very special. Her name's Katie Kirk and you probably recognize her

because she's one of the icons of American media and news journalism. Katie it's

a pleasure to have you here today and to be able to talk to you. Thank you Sarah

for having me. Thank you for that introduction that I'm not sure is really

deserved but most of all thank you for sharing one of our podcasts with your

listeners because I know the one that you selected is one one of my all-time

favorites. Well it's it's an incredible podcast and it's um I'd like you to

tell us a little bit about it because it's with Brian Stevenson who is the

founder of the Equal Justice Initiative is that correct? That's correct he is an

extraordinary man. He is a civil rights lawyer. He graduated from Harvard Law

School. He moved to Alabama to confront racial disparities and really try to

institute some reforms in the criminal justice system. One of the reasons I

obviously am I deeply admire his work but he is one of the most eloquent

people with whom I have ever had the privilege of speaking and he is so

passionate about what he does so clear about the importance of reconciliation

and and how you have to we have to as Americans and I think all global citizens

have to do this recognize the sense of our past and the sense of our fathers if

you will in order to move forward that I could talk to him for hours and hours and

hours really I just admire him so much and he's also the author of a new book

called the perilous path talking race and inequality in the law is that correct?

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