Welcome to a special crossover event of hot takes and deep dives and deep dive with Jamie Stein. Hey Jamie. Hi Jess. How are you? I'm good. How are you? I'm okay. Ready?

The truth is we just recorded fucking 20 minutes of this and Jamie wasn't recording his side. So we have to do this. Wait a second. Wait a second. Let's let's clarify that. I did record my side. My zoom ran out of memory and stopped recording after five minutes. I don't want this to look like I didn't hit the record button, which he hit the record button, but then it just stopped. So we were going to have to read you this little intro bit and then we'll really get be cooking with gas.

So what we both have done over the past few weeks is read the book House of Hilton. Now this book was originally released in 2006 and written by Jerry Oppenheimer who has written many or unauthorized biographies. And this is it. This is the dishy tell all written by a bitchy gay about the Hilton dynasty and the Richard sisters and we're just going to break down all of the facts and then filter it through

Jamie's empathic sort of highly intuitive magic that he's able to weave through all of the mess that we have collected. Yeah, maybe bring some healing to the to the fraud Hilton Richards family lineage lines.

I mean, have you ever seen a more dysfunctional family tree? I mean, there's a lot of dysfunction out there. I mean, it's kind of a classic all-American tale, right?

Yeah, what wasn't the name of Kyle's show starting to release you silverstone American woman. Did you watch American woman? No, I didn't watch it. I think I was too, like, incensed over Kyle kind of like stumbling and fumbling into her executive producer role and then talking about how hard she was working as she, like, sat there on set watching things from a golf cart.

I will say in retrospect, she actually had a brilliant idea to make the to make a television show about big Kathy, her mother, because big Kathy is what she was for me, the focal point of the book. I know for you, you think, who in the Hilton family? Did you think was the focal point?

Well, I was interested in both Conrad, who is the the the founding Patriarch of the hotel line and also his son Nick, who I guess Nikki is named after. No, I want to say I found big Kathy really fascinating as well too. It's just I had never I've heard a lot about big Kathy already and I've heard the rumors to based on this book.

I just never before been exposed to the Hilton line so for me I just found a lot of that really interesting because it's you know it's every maybe not every bit as salacious as the Richard side but it's certainly filled with its own its own dysfunctions and you know they were running around with Hollywood and movie stars and you know there was a lot of juice there and so I was surprised how interested I was in the Hilton side of things now the author of this book like I said Jerry Oppenheimer.

He spared no expense. He did not find a single person that had anything positive to say about either family which brought a lot of comedy to some of the quotes that he was finding and all the people interviewed are like the third wife of the cousin of somebody who is related to it somebody who was there or there slightly removed from the Hilton family or the Richard family and they really do provide some colorful inside.

And some colorful memories that's what this book is made up of. He did not take the time to actually put this in any sort of chronological order. It's very much this is very much a lost like flash forward flashback style of writing that could give you a little bit of vertigo.

Just like it was hard to like I mean I had to like keep a chronological list and divided up by big Kathy the mom and then Kathy Hilton Kimmerchards Kyle Richards that's how I kept track and then I had a separate column for all of the Paris and Nikki stuff well and then strangely to there's very little content about her so I mean you go into this thinking it's going to kind of be essentially a biography of Paris with the.

Family kind of lineage stuff as background to support the exploration of her but really this book is basically an exploration of her lineage it's about the Richard family it's about the Hilton family and pretty much what you're reading I feel like for like 85% of it at the end Paris kind of book and he talks a little bit about Paris at the beginning a little bit about Paris at the end but it's nothing that you wouldn't find on a Wikipedia article.

I'm pulling up the cover right now the main okay so it's designed like a tabloid cover and Paris and Nikki take up two thirds of the cover and then you have a photo of big Kathy and Rick Hilton you have a picture of Conrad Hilton and then there's another photo that's too small for me to make out but in fact it's really all about big Kathy.

And Conrad and Nick Hilton which that's the other interesting thing when I close the book I was like wait a second I kept waiting because it spends so long on Nick Hilton which don't get me wrong he's an interesting guy I kept waiting for it to get to Baron Hilton who's Rick's father and then to get to Rick Hilton we didn't get anything about Rick Hilton I mean a little bit when it got into Kathy Hilton of course like through Kathy Hilton we learn some about Rick but it was just strange to me that this book was so methodically going down the family long.

And basically stops at Nick we don't get anything about Rick and then again as far as like the immediate Fanta Hilton family circle of like Kathy Rick Nikki in Paris there's almost nothing about them as like a contemporary family and the way they worked I mean Nikki Hilton's not in it at all.

It's very it's a strangely structured book it's very I would call the stars the show big Kathy Conrad Hilton Nick Hilton if you want to read a book about those three this is the book for you.

And this topic has been requested by listeners of both of ours particular listeners of Jamie's who you know he goes into these deep dives on specific people that are characters in the house wife universe and just talk about I guess we can talk about how.

This kind of came to fruition and why we're releasing this as a crossover yeah well because you would come to me I think with the idea of reading the book and then we would talk about it on your podcast and it just so happen that I'd really been feeling a number of requests from people of my podcast to go more deeply into the Richard sisters and so when you brought that up I was like well actually I'd love to do that but I've been planning on doing kind of a Richards focused episode for my podcast and so then you suggested.

Why don't we do this as like a crossover dual release episode which is something I had just been thinking about like as a general concept for my podcast so when you mentioned it I was like all right this feels synchronic so why don't we give this a whirl.

So the way we'll break this down into like easily digestible pieces although there is going to be a lot of crossover I think we ought to break it down into we'll give a little bit of background and then we'll do really spend a lot of time on big Kathy because she's the mystery quite frankly she's

the only one of these women who we have not met we spent a lot of time with obviously the Richard sisters now we spent a good a bit of time with Kathy Hilton and we all know

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