Kathryn Porter - ‘We Have Been Sold A LIE!’ The REAL cost of Net Zero They Won’t Admit
The Winston Marshall Show
Winston Marshall
4.8 • 660 Ratings
🗓️ 21 March 2026
⏱️ 82 minutes
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Summary
In this episode of The Winston Marshall Show, I sit down with energy analyst and commentator Kathryn Porter for a wide-ranging conversation on Britain’s energy crisis, the true cost of Net Zero, and the growing risk of blackouts.
We examine the rapid transformation of Britain’s energy system, the push towards renewables, and the unintended consequences of dismantling reliable baseload power. Porter explains why the UK grid has become increasingly fragile, why electricity prices remain among the highest in the developed world, and how energy policy is now colliding with economic reality.
The conversation explores the technical limits of wind and solar, the challenges of storage and grid stability, and the risks created by over-reliance on intermittent power sources. We also discuss nuclear energy, gas, and the geopolitical pressures shaping energy markets, from supply shocks to global competition for resources.
Finally, we debate the political incentives driving Net Zero policy, the widening gap between rhetoric and engineering reality, and whether Britain is sleepwalking into an energy crisis that could carry serious economic and social consequences.
A hard-headed conversation about energy, economics, and whether Britain’s climate ambitions are colliding with the physical limits of the grid.
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Chapters
00:00 Introduction
01:06 What Net Zero Actually Means
02:50 Deindustrialisation and Offshoring Emissions
05:00 Why Politicians Treat Net Zero as Dogma
07:27 Are Renewables Really Cheap?
10:48 Why Wind and Solar Need Gas Backup
14:12 The Hidden Risks to the Power Grid
17:30 Nuclear Power: The Energy Britain Should Be Building
21:15 How Energy Policy Is Destroying UK Industry
27:08 The Myth of Cheap Green Energy
33:44 Blackouts, Rationing and Grid Fragility
40:16 Why Britain Is Losing Energy Security
48:06 Global Emissions vs Britain’s Tiny Contribution
55:10 Why China and Others Aren’t Following Net Zero
1:10:59 Electrification: Can the Grid Actually Cope?
1:13:05 AI Data Centres and Future Electricity Demand
1:15:00 Britain’s Ageing Gas Fleet and Closure Risk
1:20:34 Final Reflections on Britain’s Energy Future
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| 0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to the Winston Marshall Show with me, Winston Marshall. I sat down with |
| 0:04.2 | Catherine Porter, a British independent energy consultant and founder of what logic. Catherine |
| 0:09.9 | has gone viral after appearances on various shows because she has become the leading voice |
| 0:17.1 | in the country, perhaps in the West, calling out the fallacies and the follies of net zero |
| 0:25.3 | and green policies. |
| 0:27.6 | And indeed, in this conversation, we look at why it is that British energy is four times |
| 0:33.0 | that in America. |
| 0:34.3 | We look at why it is that we haven't gone to nuclear energy and the long history |
| 0:39.7 | against nuclear energy. We look at the utility companies, some of the most hated institutions |
| 0:45.7 | and companies in Britain. Now, Catherine also has some pretty bleak and dire predictions about the |
| 0:52.6 | future of Britain and the West if serious change doesn't |
| 0:57.4 | come about. And she has some ideas about what that serious change might look like. |
| 1:01.6 | Before you hear from Catherine, I just wanted to say thanks again for your continued support |
| 1:06.7 | without which we could not keep this show on the road. And if you head over to wintershamarshal.co.uk, not only will you enjoy ad-free viewing and listening, |
| 1:16.4 | but you will hear an extended conversation between me and Catherine, where she takes some of our sub-stackers' superb questions. |
| 1:23.4 | That's all at wintershal.com.com. |
| 1:27.2 | Otherwise, without further ado, Catherine Porter. |
| 1:31.4 | Catherine Porter, welcome to the show. |
| 1:32.8 | A great pleasure to have you on. |
| 1:34.5 | I've been following you for some time. |
| 1:35.6 | And the first thing I want to talk to you about is net zero, |
| 1:39.2 | because everywhere I go, I see net zero. |
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